RE: APNIC update
Laina,
I might humbly suggest you don't know what you're talking about, either
about Kyoko's visa or the immigration situation in Australia.
However, your concern is noted and the damage you have done my reputation
globally is duly appreciated.
Regards,
-drc
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At 04:48 PM 2/27/98 +0000, laina at singnet dot com dot sg wrote:
>
>Yes, Kyoko is planning to go as she has to if she was to remain with
>APNIC. Question is whether she will in fact get a visa. It is not easy for
>Asians to get visas to Australia. They have very strcit requirements, and
>recent outbursts by some politicians in Australia that there are too many
>Asians in Australia certainly do not help either. Also, Kyoko has a
>daughter and her daughter may not get a visa either.
>
>Then there is Yoshiko..why has she decided not to come..forced by
>circumstances..???
>
>Adam,, all I am saying is have these human factors been considered. If
>they still want to go to Australia, perhaps APNIC should make provisions
>to get these staff members other jobs so they won't be left in the slump.
>Kyoko's uncertain situation should be given more sensitivity over..she
>does have a teenage daughter which involves other issues. Sure, it may not
>be the "business" of everyone, but I want it to be someone's business.
>Please let is not be a "its not my business" forum and leave good people
>stranded.
>
>As for the issue over Anglo-Saxons, yes Pacific is part of APNIC..and yes
>we do have many others in the EC...I was referring to Australian work
>permit laws and immigration policies, that itself would mean a more
>Anglo-Saxon staffing.
>
>Laina RG
>
>
>--- On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:39:32 +0900 Adam Peake <ajp at glocom dot ac dot jp>
>wrote:
>
>I was under the impression that Kyoko planned to move to Brisbane?
>
><ftp://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/meetings/Feb98/rumors.ppt>
>As one not completely innocent of involvement with earlier rumors,
>(for which I feel a complete ass, but definitely not alone :-(
>I first apologize and second respectfully ask that we be careful about
>what we say regarding staff/personal matters as they very quickly
>become none of our business.
>
>Might be worth noting that while Australia may not be in Asia, it
>is Pacific. Of the 5 Executive Council members, 1 is "Anglo-Saxon".
>20% of APNIC membership is from Pacific nations. Where's the
>problem?
>
>Adam
>
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>APNIC Headquarters Relocation
>
>Around first quarter 1997, APNIC began to investigate what would be
>required to hire additional staff for the APNIC office in Japan. After
>lengthy consultations with various organizations, it was established
>that the question of whether APNIC needed to pay tax in Japan was
>somewhat indeterminate. Specifically, according to two of three
>accountancy firms, APNIC should pay taxes, while the third indicated
>exactly the opposite. After significant discussion, it was decided to
>evaluate the costs of doing business in Japan vis-$B/(Jvis doing business
>in other Asia or Pacific Rim locations.
>
>Location Survey
>
>APNIC obtained preliminary information on the costs of living and costs
>of doing business from various sources including newspapers, magazines,
>and the World Wide Web. Based on the preliminary data gathered, APNIC
>obtained more detailed information for the following cities:
>
> Auckland, New Zealand
> Brisbane, Australia
> Hong Kong
> Jakarta, Indonesia
> Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
> Melbourne, Australia
> Singapore
> Sydney, Australia
> Tokyo, Japan
>
>Based on cost-of-living surveys done by CRG, and taxation and other
>business related costs provided by KPMG Peat Marwick and Arthur
>Andersen, and given the fact that APNIC membership fees are considered
>non-taxable income in Australia, the Secretariat determined that the
>cost of doing business would be lowest in Brisbane, Australia.
>
>Office Search
>
>After the Executive Council decided on Brisbane, Australia as the new
>location for APNIC$B%f(Js headquarters, the search for the actual office
>space was initiated. After consultation with individuals in Brisbane,
>including local service providers, KPMG Peat Marwick, and the
>Queensland government, APNIC made use of the real estate agency of
>Jones Lang Wooten, a large commercial properties agency. The
>constraints APNIC placed on the new office were:
>
> 1. Less than US $2500 per month (including outgoings)
> 2. Large enough to support significant staff growth over the next few
> years
> 3. Convenient access
>
>After reviewing several properties, APNIC entered into a five-year
>lease agreement for property at 33 Park Road, Milton. Fit out of the
>office space is scheduled to occur during February with occupancy
>slated for the beginning of March.
>
>Re-incorporation
>
>As a function of relocating to Australia, APNIC, Ltd. has become re-
>incorporated in Australia. The new incorporation of APNIC, now APNIC
>Pty Ltd., follows the same general structure of APNIC, Ltd. in the
>Seychelles, modifying the Memorandum and Articles of Association only
>in those areas in which either the existing articles did not make sense
>(e.g., making APNIC, Ltd. be subject to Seychelles law) or where
>concepts in Seychelles law did not apply in Australia (e.g., "bearer
>shares" which do not exist in Australia).
>
>APNIC expects to migrate all existing members to the new corporate
>structure by the end of second quarter 1998. The relocation of APNIC
>to Brisbane, Australia is expected to be completed by that time as
>well.
>
>
>At 1:20 PM 98.2.27, laina at singnet dot com dot sg wrote:
>> I too would like to add my appreciation for what David, Kyoko and Yoshiko
>>have done for
>> APNIC. I think it is worth mention.
>>
>> I am however particularly concerned about continuity for APNIC, whether
>>exisitng staff are
>> being taken care of, is the EC consulting directly with the staff to see
>>what their concerns
>> are etc. I am one of those who am not totally convinced that the decision
>>to move to
>> Australia was a wise one. There are many other places in Asia which could
>>also have been
>> considered. Also I am under the impression that the fact that both
>>Yoshiko and Kyoko have a
>> family was not considered carefully. Unlike some of us that can move
>>quickly, others have to
>> consider spouse's jobs, children etc.not to mention whether they will get
>>a visa. I am
>> concerned that a five year lease in Australia was signed without looking
>>at these other
>> factors...
>>
>> I think APNIC may be better off loosing some money over breaking the five
>>year lease, then
>> loosing its valuable staff and deal with unneccesary hassles such as
>>importation taxes,
>> taxes, limitation to having other Asians on staff etc. A decision such as
>>this should be
>> considered very carefully, and there are PEOPLE involved, and let's not
>>forget it.Their
>> feeleings are important. I got the impression during APRICOT that nobody
>>cared to consutl
>> with Kyoko or Yoshiko on the future of APNIC.
>>
>> Also APNIC is a regional body, and we should strive to have Asians
>>involved in it as well,
>> as part of the empowerment of this region. Having it in Australia may
>>make it more
>> Anglo-Saxon based only...another consideration to keep in mind.
>>
>> Kudos again to David and his team...BUT while David may be dying to leave
>>let's not loose
>> his team as well, especially if they leave not of their own choice but
>>out of circumstances.
>>
>> Laina RG
>>
>> --- On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:06:03 +0800 (SGT) Yoshihiro Obata
>><obata at ats.sjk.kdd dot co dot jp>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Although there is still a little hope that Ms. Chong and Ms. Day remain
>> in
>> APNIC, I think I will be very regretful if I miss a chance to show my
>> gratitude. I already regret that we did not show our appreciation in
>> the
>> last APNIC meeting in Manila.
>>
>> I feel very sad that Randy is leaving APNIC but I think his decision
>> will
>> open a door for his great future and release him from the pressures to
>> be
>> the Director General of APNIC. Anyway, I am sure we will remain in the
>> same business and have many chances to see each other and discuss
>> various
>> issues of Internet.
>>
>> I think it will not be enough to repeat my appreciation and say "so
>> long,
>> farewell, a bientot "("sayounara, mata auhimade" in Japanese).
>>
>> Yoshihiro Obata
>>
>> Yoshihiro OBATA (yo-obata at kdd dot co dot jp)
>> Manager, Internet Business, Global Multimedia Business Dept.
>> Kokusai Denshin Denwa (KDD) Co., Ltd., Japan
>> Phone +81-3-3347-6081, Fax +81-3-3347-5690
>>
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>> Name: Laina Raveendran Greene
>> E-mail: laina at singnet dot com dot sg
>> Date: 2/27/98
>> Time: 1:20:59 PM
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>E-mail: laina at singnet dot com dot sg
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