RE: APNIC update
Yes, Kyoko is planning to go as she has to if she was to remain with
APNIC. Question is whether she will in fact get a visa. It is not easy for
Asians to get visas to Australia. They have very strcit requirements, and
recent outbursts by some politicians in Australia that there are too many
Asians in Australia certainly do not help either. Also, Kyoko has a
daughter and her daughter may not get a visa either.
Then there is Yoshiko..why has she decided not to come..forced by
circumstances..???
Adam,, all I am saying is have these human factors been considered. If
they still want to go to Australia, perhaps APNIC should make provisions
to get these staff members other jobs so they won't be left in the slump.
Kyoko's uncertain situation should be given more sensitivity over..she
does have a teenage daughter which involves other issues. Sure, it may not
be the "business" of everyone, but I want it to be someone's business.
Please let is not be a "its not my business" forum and leave good people
stranded.
As for the issue over Anglo-Saxons, yes Pacific is part of APNIC..and yes
we do have many others in the EC...I was referring to Australian work
permit laws and immigration policies, that itself would mean a more
Anglo-Saxon staffing.
Laina RG
--- On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:39:32 +0900 Adam Peake <ajp at glocom dot ac dot jp>
wrote:
I was under the impression that Kyoko planned to move to Brisbane?
<ftp://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/meetings/Feb98/rumors.ppt>
As one not completely innocent of involvement with earlier rumors,
(for which I feel a complete ass, but definitely not alone :-(
I first apologize and second respectfully ask that we be careful about
what we say regarding staff/personal matters as they very quickly
become none of our business.
Might be worth noting that while Australia may not be in Asia, it
is Pacific. Of the 5 Executive Council members, 1 is "Anglo-Saxon".
20% of APNIC membership is from Pacific nations. Where's the
problem?
Adam
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APNIC Headquarters Relocation
Around first quarter 1997, APNIC began to investigate what would be
required to hire additional staff for the APNIC office in Japan. After
lengthy consultations with various organizations, it was established
that the question of whether APNIC needed to pay tax in Japan was
somewhat indeterminate. Specifically, according to two of three
accountancy firms, APNIC should pay taxes, while the third indicated
exactly the opposite. After significant discussion, it was decided to
evaluate the costs of doing business in Japan vis-$B/(Jvis doing business
in other Asia or Pacific Rim locations.
Location Survey
APNIC obtained preliminary information on the costs of living and costs
of doing business from various sources including newspapers, magazines,
and the World Wide Web. Based on the preliminary data gathered, APNIC
obtained more detailed information for the following cities:
Auckland, New Zealand
Brisbane, Australia
Hong Kong
Jakarta, Indonesia
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Melbourne, Australia
Singapore
Sydney, Australia
Tokyo, Japan
Based on cost-of-living surveys done by CRG, and taxation and other
business related costs provided by KPMG Peat Marwick and Arthur
Andersen, and given the fact that APNIC membership fees are considered
non-taxable income in Australia, the Secretariat determined that the
cost of doing business would be lowest in Brisbane, Australia.
Office Search
After the Executive Council decided on Brisbane, Australia as the new
location for APNIC$B%f(Js headquarters, the search for the actual office
space was initiated. After consultation with individuals in Brisbane,
including local service providers, KPMG Peat Marwick, and the
Queensland government, APNIC made use of the real estate agency of
Jones Lang Wooten, a large commercial properties agency. The
constraints APNIC placed on the new office were:
1. Less than US $2500 per month (including outgoings)
2. Large enough to support significant staff growth over the next few
years
3. Convenient access
After reviewing several properties, APNIC entered into a five-year
lease agreement for property at 33 Park Road, Milton. Fit out of the
office space is scheduled to occur during February with occupancy
slated for the beginning of March.
Re-incorporation
As a function of relocating to Australia, APNIC, Ltd. has become re-
incorporated in Australia. The new incorporation of APNIC, now APNIC
Pty Ltd., follows the same general structure of APNIC, Ltd. in the
Seychelles, modifying the Memorandum and Articles of Association only
in those areas in which either the existing articles did not make sense
(e.g., making APNIC, Ltd. be subject to Seychelles law) or where
concepts in Seychelles law did not apply in Australia (e.g., "bearer
shares" which do not exist in Australia).
APNIC expects to migrate all existing members to the new corporate
structure by the end of second quarter 1998. The relocation of APNIC
to Brisbane, Australia is expected to be completed by that time as
well.
At 1:20 PM 98.2.27, laina at singnet dot com dot sg wrote:
> I too would like to add my appreciation for what David, Kyoko and Yoshiko
>have done for
> APNIC. I think it is worth mention.
>
> I am however particularly concerned about continuity for APNIC, whether
>exisitng staff are
> being taken care of, is the EC consulting directly with the staff to see
>what their concerns
> are etc. I am one of those who am not totally convinced that the decision
>to move to
> Australia was a wise one. There are many other places in Asia which could
>also have been
> considered. Also I am under the impression that the fact that both
>Yoshiko and Kyoko have a
> family was not considered carefully. Unlike some of us that can move
>quickly, others have to
> consider spouse's jobs, children etc.not to mention whether they will get
>a visa. I am
> concerned that a five year lease in Australia was signed without looking
>at these other
> factors...
>
> I think APNIC may be better off loosing some money over breaking the five
>year lease, then
> loosing its valuable staff and deal with unneccesary hassles such as
>importation taxes,
> taxes, limitation to having other Asians on staff etc. A decision such as
>this should be
> considered very carefully, and there are PEOPLE involved, and let's not
>forget it.Their
> feeleings are important. I got the impression during APRICOT that nobody
>cared to consutl
> with Kyoko or Yoshiko on the future of APNIC.
>
> Also APNIC is a regional body, and we should strive to have Asians
>involved in it as well,
> as part of the empowerment of this region. Having it in Australia may
>make it more
> Anglo-Saxon based only...another consideration to keep in mind.
>
> Kudos again to David and his team...BUT while David may be dying to leave
>let's not loose
> his team as well, especially if they leave not of their own choice but
>out of circumstances.
>
> Laina RG
>
> --- On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:06:03 +0800 (SGT) Yoshihiro Obata
><obata at ats.sjk.kdd dot co dot jp>
> wrote:
>
> Although there is still a little hope that Ms. Chong and Ms. Day remain
> in
> APNIC, I think I will be very regretful if I miss a chance to show my
> gratitude. I already regret that we did not show our appreciation in
> the
> last APNIC meeting in Manila.
>
> I feel very sad that Randy is leaving APNIC but I think his decision
> will
> open a door for his great future and release him from the pressures to
> be
> the Director General of APNIC. Anyway, I am sure we will remain in the
> same business and have many chances to see each other and discuss
> various
> issues of Internet.
>
> I think it will not be enough to repeat my appreciation and say "so
> long,
> farewell, a bientot "("sayounara, mata auhimade" in Japanese).
>
> Yoshihiro Obata
>
> Yoshihiro OBATA (yo-obata at kdd dot co dot jp)
> Manager, Internet Business, Global Multimedia Business Dept.
> Kokusai Denshin Denwa (KDD) Co., Ltd., Japan
> Phone +81-3-3347-6081, Fax +81-3-3347-5690
>
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> Time: 1:20:59 PM
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