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Hi APNIC Secretariat
How many transfers will be affected by prop-116-v006, since 14th Sep 2017 ?
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Muhammad Yasir Shamim
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
(Sanjeev Gupta)
2. Re: prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
[SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED] (Guangliang Pan)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 14:34:02 +0800
From: Sanjeev Gupta <sanjeev@dcs1.biz>
To: Rajesh Panwala <rajesh@smartlinkindia.com>
Cc: sig-policy <sig-policy@apnic.net>
Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer
policy
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Rajesh, the issue will be that the Secretariat has to be given a clear
definition of "genuine". It is unfair to them to expect that they
administer a rule which is not well defined.
Putting a date makes life clear (not better, but clear).
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Sanjeev Gupta
+65 98551208 http://sg.linkedin.com/in/ghane
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:52 PM, Rajesh Panwala <rajesh@smartlinkindia.com>
wrote:
> I partially support the policy. For genuine M&A cases , there should not
> be any restriction on transfer of resources. M&A activities are part and
> parcel of routine business and no one knows when will it take place.
>
> regards,
>
> Rajesh Panwala
> For Smartlink Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
> +91-9227886001 <+91%2092278%2086001>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Bertrand Cherrier <
> b.cherrier@micrologic.nc> wrote:
>
>> Dear SIG members,
>>
>> The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has
>> been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
>>
>> It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in
>> Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018.
>>
>> We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list
>> before the meeting.
>>
>> The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an
>> important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to
>> express your views on the proposal:
>>
>> - Do you support or oppose this proposal?
>> - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,
>> tell the community about your situation.
>> - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
>> - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
>> - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more
>> effective?
>>
>> Information about this proposal is available at:
>>
>> http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-123
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng
>> APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
>>
>> https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/prop-123-v001.txt
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Proposer: Alex Yang
>> yangpf6@126.com
>>
>>
>> 1. Problem statement
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in
>> the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep
>> 2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from 103/8
>> block if the delegation date is less than 5 years.
>>
>> However, some of the 103/8 ranges were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
>> Those resources should not be subjected to 5 years restriction. The
>> community was not aware of the restriction when they received those
>> resources, some of the resources have been transferred or planning to
>> transfer. If APNIC is not allow those transfers to be registered,
>> there will be underground transfers. This will cause incorrect APNIC
>> Whois data.
>>
>>
>> 2. Objective of policy change
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To keep the APNIC Whois data correct.
>>
>>
>> 3. Situation in other regions
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> No such situation in other regions.
>>
>>
>> 4. Proposed policy solution
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ?Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under final /8 address block (103/8)
>> which have not passed five years after its allocation/assignment?
>> should only apply to those ranges were delegated from APNIC since 14
>> Sep 2017.
>>
>>
>> 5. Advantages / Disadvantages
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Advantages:
>>
>> - Allow APNIC to register those 103/8 transfers to keep the APNIC
>> Whois data correct.
>>
>>
>> Disadvantages:
>>
>> None.
>>
>>
>> 6. Impact on resource holders
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Resource holders are allowed to transfer 103/8 ranges if the resources
>> were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
>>
>>
>>
>> 7. References
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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From: Guangliang Pan <gpan@apnic.net>
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Hi Sanjeev,
The number of delegations from 103/8 pool since 29 Jan 2013 (Five years
count back from today) to 14 Sep 2017 is 10868. These are the delegations
are not allowed to transfer as of today according to prop-116-v006.
Kind regards,
Guangliang
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Sent: Monday, 29 January 2018 3:34 PM
To: Henderson Mike, Mr <MICHAEL.HENDERSON@nzdf.mil.nz>
Cc: mailman_SIG-policy <sig-policy@apnic.net>
Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
[SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi,
I see this as more of a "do not make policy retroactively". People who
"bought" an "asset" in good faith should not be told it is worth different
now.
I am amenable to changing the cut-off date in Prop-123 to the date it was
sent to the Policy SIG, as that might have given warning to people the rules
were changing.
APNIC Secretariat, how many transfers will be affected by Prop-123?
--
Sanjeev Gupta
+65 98551208 http://sg.linkedin.com/in/ghane
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:16 AM, Henderson Mike, Mr
<MICHAEL.HENDERSON@nzdf.mil.nz<mailto:MICHAEL.HENDERSON@nzdf.mil.nz>> wrote:
Not supported
The proposal should in my opinion be amended to read:
___________________________
Disadvantages:
None Completely negates the purpose of prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer
IPv4 addresses in
the final /8 block.
___________________________
Regards
Mike
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Subject: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
Dear SIG members,
The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has
been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in
Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018.
We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list
before the meeting.
The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an
important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to
express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose this proposal?
- Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,
tell the community about your situation.
- Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
- Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
- What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more
effective?
Information about this proposal is available at:
http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-123
Regards
Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng
APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/prop-123-v001.txt
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prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
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Proposer: Alex Yang
yangpf6@126.com<mailto:yangpf6@126.com>
1. Problem statement
-------------------------------------------------------
Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in
the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep
2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from 103/8
block if the delegation date is less than 5 years.
However, some of the 103/8 ranges were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
Those resources should not be subjected to 5 years restriction. The
community was not aware of the restriction when they received those
resources, some of the resources have been transferred or planning to
transfer. If APNIC is not allow those transfers to be registered,
there will be underground transfers. This will cause incorrect APNIC
Whois data.
2. Objective of policy change
-------------------------------------------------------
To keep the APNIC Whois data correct.
3. Situation in other regions
-------------------------------------------------------
No such situation in other regions.
4. Proposed policy solution
-------------------------------------------------------
?Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under final /8 address block (103/8)
which have not passed five years after its allocation/assignment?
should only apply to those ranges were delegated from APNIC since 14
Sep 2017.
5. Advantages / Disadvantages
-------------------------------------------------------
Advantages:
- Allow APNIC to register those 103/8 transfers to keep the APNIC
Whois data correct.
Disadvantages:
None.
6. Impact on resource holders
-------------------------------------------------------
Resource holders are allowed to transfer 103/8 ranges if the resources
were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
7. References
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