From: sig-policy-requestDate: 2018-01-29 18:30To: sig-policySubject: sig-policy Digest, Vol 164, Issue 10Send sig-policy mailing list submissions tosig-policy@lists.apnic.netTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttps://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policyor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' tosig-policy-request@lists.apnic.netYou can reach the person managing the list atsig-policy-owner@lists.apnic.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of sig-policy digest..."Today's Topics:1. Re: prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy(Satoru Tsurumaki)2. Re: prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy (Ajai Kumar)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:03:38 +0900From: Satoru Tsurumaki <satoru.tsurumaki@g.softbank.co.jp>To: SIG policy <sig-policy@apnic.net>Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transferpolicyMessage-ID:Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Dear ProposerI would like to clarify.My understanding is:Prop-116 will be subject to the 103/8 IPv4 address which allocated before14 Sep 2017 and be transferred after this proposal will consensus.It's mean that these address will be allowed to transfer "ONE-TIME".Is it correct ?Regards,Satoru TsurumakiJPOPF Steering Team (former JPNIC Policy Working Group)2018-01-26 12:27 GMT+09:00 Bertrand Cherrier <b.cherrier@micrologic.nc>:> Dear SIG members,>> The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has> been sent to the Policy SIG for review.>> It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in> Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018.>> We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list> before the meeting.>> The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an> important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to> express your views on the proposal:>> - Do you support or oppose this proposal?> - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,> tell the community about your situation.> - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?> - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?> - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more> effective?>> Information about this proposal is available at:>> http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-123>> Regards>> Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng> APNIC Policy SIG Chairs>> https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/prop-123-v001.txt>> ------------------------------------------------------->> prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy>> ------------------------------------------------------->> Proposer: Alex Yang> yangpf6@126.com>>> 1. Problem statement> ------------------------------------------------------->> Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in> the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep> 2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from 103/8> block if the delegation date is less than 5 years.>> However, some of the 103/8 ranges were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.> Those resources should not be subjected to 5 years restriction. The> community was not aware of the restriction when they received those> resources, some of the resources have been transferred or planning to> transfer. If APNIC is not allow those transfers to be registered,> there will be underground transfers. This will cause incorrect APNIC> Whois data.>>> 2. Objective of policy change> ------------------------------------------------------->> To keep the APNIC Whois data correct.>>> 3. Situation in other regions> ------------------------------------------------------->> No such situation in other regions.>>> 4. Proposed policy solution> ------------------------------------------------------->> ?Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under final /8 address block (103/8)> which have not passed five years after its allocation/assignment?> should only apply to those ranges were delegated from APNIC since 14> Sep 2017.>>> 5. Advantages / Disadvantages> ------------------------------------------------------->> Advantages:>> - Allow APNIC to register those 103/8 transfers to keep the APNIC> Whois data correct.>>> Disadvantages:>> None.>>> 6. Impact on resource holders> ------------------------------------------------------->> Resource holders are allowed to transfer 103/8 ranges if the resources> were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.>>>> 7. References> ------------------------------------------------------->>> * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy> *> _______________________________________________> sig-policy mailing list> sig-policy@lists.apnic.net> https://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/attachments/20180129/533be3d9/attachment.html>------------------------------Message: 2Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 16:00:44 +0530From: Ajai Kumar <joinajay1@gmail.com>To: Sanjeev Gupta <sanjeev@dcs1.biz>Cc: sig-policy <sig-policy@apnic.net>Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transferpolicyMessage-ID:Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Dear All,For M&A cases, APNIC Secretariat has clear guidelines to handle it. I fullyagree with Rajesh on it.Regards,Ajai KumarOn 29 January 2018 at 12:04, Sanjeev Gupta <sanjeev@dcs1.biz> wrote:> Rajesh, the issue will be that the Secretariat has to be given a clear> definition of "genuine". It is unfair to them to expect that they> administer a rule which is not well defined.>> Putting a date makes life clear (not better, but clear).>>> --> Sanjeev Gupta> +65 98551208 <+65%209855%201208> http://sg.linkedin.com/in/ghane>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:52 PM, Rajesh Panwala <rajesh@smartlinkindia.com> > wrote:>>> I partially support the policy. For genuine M&A cases , there should not>> be any restriction on transfer of resources. M&A activities are part and>> parcel of routine business and no one knows when will it take place.>>>> regards,>>>> Rajesh Panwala>> For Smartlink Solutions Pvt. Ltd.>> +91-9227886001 <+91%2092278%2086001>>>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Bertrand Cherrier <>> b.cherrier@micrologic.nc> wrote:>>>>> Dear SIG members,>>>>>> The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has>>> been sent to the Policy SIG for review.>>>>>> It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in>>> Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018.>>>>>> We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list>>> before the meeting.>>>>>> The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an>>> important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to>>> express your views on the proposal:>>>>>> - Do you support or oppose this proposal?>>> - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,>>> tell the community about your situation.>>> - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?>>> - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?>>> - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more>>> effective?>>>>>> Information about this proposal is available at:>>>>>> http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-123>>>>>> Regards>>>>>> Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng>>> APNIC Policy SIG Chairs>>>>>> https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/prop-123-v001.txt>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> Proposer: Alex Yang>>> yangpf6@126.com>>>>>>>>> 1. Problem statement>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in>>> the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep>>> 2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from 103/8>>> block if the delegation date is less than 5 years.>>>>>> However, some of the 103/8 ranges were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.>>> Those resources should not be subjected to 5 years restriction. The>>> community was not aware of the restriction when they received those>>> resources, some of the resources have been transferred or planning to>>> transfer. If APNIC is not allow those transfers to be registered,>>> there will be underground transfers. This will cause incorrect APNIC>>> Whois data.>>>>>>>>> 2. Objective of policy change>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> To keep the APNIC Whois data correct.>>>>>>>>> 3. Situation in other regions>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> No such situation in other regions.>>>>>>>>> 4. Proposed policy solution>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> ?Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under final /8 address block (103/8)>>> which have not passed five years after its allocation/assignment?>>> should only apply to those ranges were delegated from APNIC since 14>>> Sep 2017.>>>>>>>>> 5. Advantages / Disadvantages>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> Advantages:>>>>>> - Allow APNIC to register those 103/8 transfers to keep the APNIC>>> Whois data correct.>>>>>>>>> Disadvantages:>>>>>> None.>>>>>>>>> 6. Impact on resource holders>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> Resource holders are allowed to transfer 103/8 ranges if the resources>>> were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. 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