We may think we are living in a perfect world but we are not. With this proposal I'm more worried about the network downtime as managing an AS0 ROA by an RIR may be prone to errors as we all do regardless if its a manual or automated solution. Operators network
downtime doesn't have any effect on APNIC business as they can simply say we stuffed up and fixing it.
But think about those networks facing the downtime and their business obligations to their customers, who will bear this liability. Sure these operators can drag APNIC to the courts but that costs money that they cannot afford but accept the stuff ups.
So I am not in favor of asking the RIR to create AS0 ROA.
J Khan
From: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2019 6:16 PM To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Cc: Javed Khan <javedkhankh@outlook.com>; Policy SIG <sig-policy@apnic.net>; Sumon Ahmed Sabir <sasabir@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-132-v002: AS0 for Bogons Hi Owen,
Well, let me try again then :)
There are only few reasons why APNIC would remove a valid ROA from member's account.
- Due to Non-payment and APNIC reclaiming the resources and closing the account
- Returned address space by the member for any reason and the space becomes part of free pool.
In either case there are some cooling off period as I shared in previous email which goes up to 60 days before APNIC can mark those resources as free/available. IMO, there is absolutely no reason to have those ROAs in place but again this is an operational
issue and this policy is not dealing with it. But can you suggest any reason when those ROAs should not be removed?
This policy is addressing only one thing "Control Bogon Announcements". If the XYZ Corp hasn't paid the due fees (even after several reminders which are in place by the RIR and after the cooling off period as per the operational practice of RIR) then XYZ
Corp doesn't have the right to use 2001:db8:feed::/48 and APNIC will mark those resources as free/available. The policy deals with the resources part of free/available pool, how they become part of that pool is not part of this policy and its an operational
issue.
Today, a terminated member can keep on using the resources without any consequences unless APNIC reach out to them (which doesn't work at times) or their upstream and tell them to stop advertising it.
I'm still unable to see that as a concern, XYZ Corp has to pay the fees to use those resources. Its part of the membership agreement they signed
But again this is not part of the policy.
The policy doesn't talk about revocation of resources and subsequent ROAs associated with it and its mechanism. Fee schedule, Revocation and membership termination/cancelation is part of the membership agreement and how APNIC executes the revocation is
the operational issue of the APNIC.
I will leave that for APNIC to respond and its a fair enough concern that a clarity is needed.
I once again tried to answer your questions and happy to hear from Javed as well :)
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