From: sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net <sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net> on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 6:19 PM To: Policy SIG <sig-policy@apnic.net> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-124-v006: Clarification on Sub-Assignments Hi Javed,
I think you’re getting something wrong.
Policies aren’t there so APNIC can verify “everything” to “every” member. This will be impossible.
Policies are there so everybody know the rules, and try their best to avoid breaking them.
So is anyone breaking the current policy? can you provide examples?
Policies are there to avoid bad-intentions from bad-Internet actors, in order to protect the majority (the good ones).
If we only accept policies when they can be verified, then we will have an empty policy book :-)
If APNIC does a verification, for whatever reason (any suspicius, a claim from another member, etc.), and a rule is broken, APNIC should take measures if the member doesn’t correct it. In some cases those measures may mean member closure, resource recovery, etc. This is a completely different discussion which has policy and service agreement implications.
Please, note before continue reading that this only affects end-user direct assignments by APNIC or the NIRs. Not clarifiying this caused some confusion in the discussion of the last meeting. So if you’re an ISP (I’m not sure if that’s your case), this proposal doesn’t affect you.
It only affect you, if you are getting a direct assignment from APNIC or any of the NIRs.
I clearly understand that and I am not speaking for myself nor my organisation.
The fact here is that if, for example, an university, which got a direct assignment from APNIC, is providing the students public addresses (IPv4) or global addresses (IPv6), it is against the policy.
If the students are connecting to the university infrastructure to access resources, university is not breaking the current policy because the address space is still used for their infrastructure and
not sub-assigned to students.
In the case of IPv4, the solution is easy, use NAT and private addresses (but not all the universities do that). However in IPv6 this is not the solution, we don’t have NAT.
Indeed everyone use NAT but the policies are not promoting to use NATs. Its a choice that the network providers make.
I can put many other similar examples (remember again, this is only the case when the addresses are directly assigned to the end-user by APNIC or the NIR, not by an ISP): a point to point link from the university to another network, an employee getting addresses from a company, thir party companies offering services to that company or university, a municipality offering WiFi to citizens, etc.
Employees getting addresses from a company is same as students in the university, as above.
The proposal solves both cases, the IPv4 and the IPv6 one.
Note that this has been already corrected in all the other RIRs (ARIN, AFRINIC, LACNIC and RIPE). All them had the same problem in their policy text.
Ok but RIR regions are not all same and that's why we have an RIR for each region. If its corrected in one RIR doesn't mean that other RIR community has to follow that. Each RIR community can have its own discussion. Right?
J Khan
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 23/8/19 16:01, "Javed Khan" <sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net en nombre de javedkhankh@outlook.com> escribió:
I do not support this proposal. Intention is good but no one is really concerned nor can verify this in practice. I think the current policy text is good.
Kind regards Javed Khan MSCE and CCSP
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