For now, I'm neither for or against this proposal. I think the intention of the author is good but the implementation is not as easy as is explained in the proposal. QoS is very crucial for ISPs to sustain the fierce market competition and if APNIC fails to
timely update the AS0 ROAs, this will effect the service delivery and/or network downtime.
I request APNIC to provide a detailed review of this proposal from a service and legal perspective so the community can better understand the implementation, if this proposal reaches consensus.
Kind regards
Javed Khan
MSCE and CCSP
From: sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net <sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net> on behalf of David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 10:48 AM To: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> Cc: Sumon Ahmed Sabir <sasabir@gmail.com>; Policy SIG <sig-policy@apnic.net> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-132-v002: AS0 for Bogons On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:04 PM Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> wrote:
Currently, when the account is closed nothing actively makes the resources unusable, accept for if you were also changing providers during this timeframe, then when the new provider checks the resources they will be unregistered. But most providers don't
recheck the registration of resources very often, if ever, other than at the time of setup of service.
With this proposal at some point, the resource will effectively become unusable with nonpayment, when the AS0 ROA is created, and any ROAs are removed, I'm fine with this, but it should be called out as a consequence of the proposal, so no one can say
they didn't realize that is a consequence of the proposal.
This proposal changes the consequences for nonpayment, that should be made clear in the proposal one way or another.
Also as Owen noted the RIRs frequently have a hold period after the account is closed, resource are usually held for some period after account closure and before they are reissued to a new user.
They were just suggestions, but I will note that you only discussed the timing for nonpayment, resources can be returned voluntarily or they can be revoked for cause, this is rare but it does happen and the timing assoicated with these instances should
be understood as well.
Also, I was suggesting the AS0 ROAs should not created immediately on account closure but some period of time after that,
Right now there seems to be two phases, suspension and account closure, I'm proposing a third phase resource deactivation, the creation of the AS0 ROAs. I suppose account closure and resource deactivation can occur simultaneously, I think they should be
separate as an escalating series of events.
Thanks
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