Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-105: Distribution of returned IPv4
Hi Skeeve,
Thank you for your reply.
| Tomohiro-San... have you thought of putting a limit on this... in that
| current members who already have an allocation, say larger than a /18,
| would not be eligible for this allocation? I could see a lot of /22's
| being given to members with a large allocation that wouldn't need it... but
| then again, that would be only a small number.
Now, I do not think to put such restriction, since as you wrote, it
would be small number, and under current estimation, there will be
enough pool to cover all current APNIC members.
In that means, I would like to restrict to 'collect' address blocks
from final /8, as we proposed in prop-106.
http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-106
Yours Sincerely,
--
Tomohiro Fujisaki
From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve at eintellegonetworks dot com>
Subject: Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-105: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:19:01 +1000
| I support this policy VERY much.
|
| I've always been a champion of the 'small guys', and this proposal helps
| the small ISPs in the region, with some extra resources to help them
| survive until the viability.
|
| Tomohiro-San... have you thought of putting a limit on this... in that
| current members who already have an allocation, say larger than a /18,
| would not be eligible for this allocation? I could see a lot of /22's
| being given to members with a large allocation that wouldn't need it... but
| then again, that would be only a small number.
|
|
| ...Skeeve
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| On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Andy Linton <asjl at lpnz dot org> wrote:
|
| > Dear SIG members
| >
| > A new version of the proposal "prop-105-v002: Distribution of returned
| > IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)" has been sent to
| > the Policy SIG for review.
| >
| > Changes from the previous version are:
| >
| > - Added estimates of available APNIC pool size once "Global policy for
| > post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA" is activated.
| >
| > - Proposes timing and a mechanism for APNIC to make delegations from
| > this 'returned' pool.
| >
| > Information about this version and earlier versions is available from:
| >
| > http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-105
| >
| >
| > You are encouraged you to express your views on the proposal:
| >
| > - Do you support or oppose this proposal?
| > - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
| > - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more
| > effective?
| >
| > Regards,
| >
| > Andy, Skeeve, and Masato
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
| >
| > prop-105-v002: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks
| > (Modification of prop-088)
| >
| > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
| >
| > Authors: Tomohiro Fujisaki fujisaki at syce dot net
| >
| > JP IPv4 address allocation discussion team
| >
| >
| > 1. Introduction
| > ---------------
| >
| > After the final /8 policy is implemented, IPv4 address blocks received
| > by APNIC are handled as being part of the final /8 pool and to
| > redistribute these resources according to the final /8 policy
| > (prop-088). This policy proposes to define a separate distribution
| > policy for all non-103 IPv4 address blocks in the APNIC pool, to start
| > the distributions once "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4
| > allocation mechanisms by the IANA" is activated.
| >
| >
| > 2. Summary
| > ----------
| >
| > While rapid implementation of IPv6 is in progress throughout the APNIC
| > region, demands for IPv4 address still continue.
| >
| > In May 2012, the global policy ïlobal Policy for Post Exhaustion: IPv4
| > Allocation Mechanisms by the IANA) was ratified by ICANN board, and it
| > will be implemented soon. Based on this policy, IPv4 address space
| > returned to IANA will be distributed to RIRs, and its size is not
| > expected to be so large but substantial enough to be able to consider an
| > additional minimum allocation for APNIC members.
| >
| > APNIC is expected to have 6,917,683 (over /10) IPv4 addresses in its
| > pool once the Global Policy is activated, as an re-allocation from IANA
| > and IPv4 address space directly returned to APNIC from its members.
| >
| > Currently, these address blocks will be added to the reserve for
| > distributions according to the final /8 policy, in addition to 103/8
| > block already reserved for the purpose. Therefore, even if additional
| > blocks are added in APNIC's pool while reserves remain in the 103/8
| > block range, it is reserved for distribution under the final /8 policy.
| > We propose to distribute this newly received address block and address
| > blocks returned to APNIC to APNIC account holders.
| >
| > According to our survey conducted to the APNIC community, over 70% of
| > the respondents expressed the needs to receive IPv4 address space,
| > if a separate distribution policy is defined from the final /8 policy.
| >
| >
| > 3. Situation in other RIRs
| > --------------------------
| >
| > ARIN: no final /8 like policy.
| >
| > RIPE-NCC: similar /8 policy.
| >
| >
| > 4. Details
| > ----------
| >
| > Modify prop-088 to distribute non-103 IPv4 address blocks to APNIC
| > account holders who meet the IPv4 distribution criteria define in APNIC
| > policies.
| >
| > If APNIC account holder, who was allocated an /22 from the final /8
| > pool, needs an additional IPv4 address block, they are eligible to
| > receive another distribution of IPv4 block.
| >
| > The same policy as the final /8 policy will be applied in terms of the
| > criteria and the size of the distribution given the requestor has
| > utilized a total of /22 block from 103/8.
| >
| > This policy will be effective after allocation of returned IPv4 address
| > blocks from IANA, based on "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4
| > allocation mechanisms by the IANA".
| >
| > The distribution policy for 103/8 block will remain unchanged, based on
| > the final /8 policy.
| >
| > - Address size Consideration
| >
| > The current IPv4 Address size recovered by IANA from RIRs is
| > 18,204,416. If this is equally distribute to 5 RIRs, APNIC is expected
| > to receive 3,640,883 after the global policy is activated.
| >
| > APNIC also has a pool recovered directly from its account holders,
| > with the total of 50 x 16s (max)*. By adding them up, APNIC is
| > estimated to have 6,917,683 (over /10) IPv4 address after global
| > policy will be activated.
| >
| > * Address blocks in ERX range need some coordination to distribute.
| >
| > APNIC has about 3,800 members, and about 4,800 members if NIR members
| > is included. We can now distribute about 1,441 IPv4 address to all
| > 4,000 members, which is over /22.
| >
| > From the current final /8 address distribution trends, it will allow
| > all LIRs who have received 103/22 to receive an additional /22 under
| > this policy from the above IPv4 address pool (6,917,683) until
| > 2017-2018.
| >
| >
| > - Subsequent IPv4 address re-allocated from IANA/returned to APNIC from
| > its account holders
| >
| > If there are subsequent IPv4 address as described above, such IPv4
| > address space will be pooled until:
| >
| > - Total IPv4 address size in APNIC pool will reach enough size which
| > can distribute the maximum distribution size at at time
| > (currently, /22 to a member) to all APNIC members.
| > - After the APNIC pool reaches the size sufficient to distribute to
| > all APNIC members at that point in time, additional IPv4 address
| > distribution will start from that pool.
| >
| > Reference
| > IANA pool size:
| > http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/report-comments-implementing-ip
| > v4-post-17dec12-en.pdf
| >
| >
| >
| > 5. Pros/Cons
| > ------------
| >
| > Advantages: Able to utilize non-103/8 address pool in APNIC for
| > immediate distribution, instead of keeping as a reserve, in addition to
| > 103/8.
| >
| > Disadvantages: Some may feel the concern that adopting this policy
| > discourages IPv6 deployment in the APNIC region. However, according to
| > our survey, majority of the respondents responded revising the policy
| > does not impact their IPv6 deployment plan.
| >
| >
| >
| > 6. Effect on APNIC
| > ------------------
| >
| > APNIC account holders can obtain one more IPv4 block of minimum
| > allocation size as the upper limit (currently /22).
| >
| >
| >
| > 7. Effect on NIRs
| > -----------------
| >
| > NIRs can choose whether to implement this policy or not.
| > * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy
| > *
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