From: sig-policy-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net [mailto:sig-policy-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:17 PM
To: sig-policy at apnic dot net SIG
Subject: [sig-policy] Prop 050(072) commentsAll,I can’t help feel that prop-050, in its raw form and even with the prop-072 addition (071 is fine), are akin to the NZ Copyright Act – Section 92A. Now that it is in law, everyone is screaming “what the hell... this should have never been brought in to begin with” and now they are trying to fix it... people are withdrawing from the working groups and getting all stressed about it.I feel that is what will happen is 050/072 get into policy. And if APNIC happily introduces flawed policy, or institutionalises these backdoors, I shall have to feel obliged and recommend that people make use of them. This isn’t me being a trouble maker... it will just be me demonstrating cause and effect. If people insist on bringing something like this in, I see no alternative other than to demonstrate the repercussions of the decisions - forcing them to be closed.... what else should one do?This is actually very similar to what the ATO do in Australia. If they find something ambiguous in Tax law. Sometimes they will approach you, tell you they are going to go after you... at the same time telling you that they actually agree with you, but the law isn’t clear. They will then offer to fund your legal case so you can take them to court so they can get a ruling which clarifies things for them. This is far cheaper than having too many people confused.For those who don’t know me... I’m not one for sitting in the shadows or being a wall flower... and I don’t do so well with backchannel politics. If I see something wrong, I will shout it from the rooftops. Sorry in advance for any sensitivities I may offend – it is nothing personal.Btw... this is the comment period... what now? What is the next step after the RFC period finishes? Who decides on what?Also... I’ve heard a couple of mutterings about ‘outsiders’ being told to butt out and keep quiet... and were also some comments akin to this on the discussion day. Are there restrictions on who can participate in this discussion?...Skeeve--Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Directoreintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialistsskeeve at eintellego dot net / www.eintellego.netPhone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve--NOC, NOC, who's there?Disclaimer: Limits of Liability and Disclaimer: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain sensitive and private proprietary or legally privileged information. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. eintellego Pty Ltd and each legal entity in the Tefilah Pty Ltd group of companies reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. Any reference to costs, fee quotations, contractual transactions and variations to contract terms is subject to separate confirmation in writing signed by an authorised representative of eintellego. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, we cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or compatible with your systems and do not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced.