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Dear Philip and everyone, Thank you for the comments below and I apologise if I have been not clear in my Policy proposal document. I have clarified several aspects of the same as needed below: Kusumba S >>> Due to the current change in the Political, Economical and Regulatory affairs in several countries, it has been evident that NIRs are more becoming a functional and integral body of any Government represented, controlled or manned agency. Some of these trends may have resulted in the "community" not being able to have "right to resources" for few of their internal reasons. Internet resources are neither owned or belong or can be controlled by any Government represented agency. The same should be under the control of the community and membership (APNIC) represented agency. Also, since NIR is not a "infrastructure" agency that may need Government support, NIRs not necessarily require Government support or endorsement at all. Hence, considering NIR being formed by such agencies shall prove difficult for community, members and shall have impact on various Internet resources affairs in that territory and infringes the very purpose of "Free (not by cost) Access to Internet Resources".Some comments: - there is no problem statement in Section 2 which purports to declare what the problem is. Kusumba S >>> "Members" here are APNIC members. In a situation where NIR is largely manned by the local Government represented agency, the current Policy does not restrict them to enforce any such policies which will direct the Member to obtain resources only from the local NIR and not APNIC. The current rule-position is only indicative that a member "may" obtain resources from APNIC instead of NIR but that does not restrict the local NIR to constrain the member to obtain the resources only from NIR.- Section 4, item 2. "Members" is mentioned without context. NIR members? APNIC members? Other members, and if so what of? Kusumba S >>> The situation is not complicated. It is rather this way: If there were no members nor no APNIC, where is the question of NIR ? So, it is obvious that only when there are Members in a country, NIR is possible. But the same NIR cannot be an automatic right of any Government in that country since it is not NIR that came first but the members and APNIC. So, APNIC's community has all reasons to establish a policy that is not taken as advantage by any Government in the region to control the local Members and their resources.- Section 4, item 3. I can't see how APNIC or anyone else can dictate to any sovereign Government that it will have a minor role in an NIR. If an NIR truly represents the economy it is located in, surely all interested parties in that economy will establish exactly what the representation should be? Kusumba S >>> The advantages as seen are from the community / membership stand point that they are not either controlled or regulated by local Government agency under the ambit of NIR and refrain them from obtain Internet resources as needed from APNIC or other Membership / community controlled NIR.- Section 5. None of the advantages listed are obvious from reading the text as it stands. I can see substantial disadvantages though. I will also appreciate if you can highlight here the disadvantages that you see. Kusumba S >>> As explained above, the current policy does not restrict NIR that is not community oriented to establish rules that will insist the local members to only obtain resources from NIR and not from APNIC. While allotting or considering the resource request, NIR may impose several conditions that are otherwise not needed for obtaining resources if taken directly from APNIC.- Section 6. "APNIC members undergo conditional allocations". Please explain. No evidence provided in text. First mention of creation of NIR covering communities in multiple countries - what is the rationale for this? I have the following text that probably explains the other part: this policy, will be able to form NIR that is community controlled rather than any incumbent or Government controlled NIR. Kusumba S >>> The policy proposal does not question or change any position of the existing NIRs. It recommends a revised criteria to recognize a new NIR in a given country. Hence, no impact on existing NIRs.- Section 7 I believe is incomplete. This policy proposal has substantial impact on the existing NIRs as it changes the fundamental basis for their existence as it would be entirely feasible for another organisation or group of organisations to establish themselves as an NIR within the existing NIR's operational area. This would quite likely be counter to the existing NIR's rules of association. Kusumba S >>> I will be happy to provide additional information / comments / material for the you all to consider here.I believe this proposal needs substantial work to resolve the issues I mentioned above. As it stands, it has significant impact on the entire APNIC, NIR and LIR structure and relationship; I feel this needs to be carefully considered and documented. Greetings, Kusumba S philip -- Randy Bush said the following on 28/8/08 06:46:
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