No reductio ad absurdum reactions please -- the price of this policy as written is a few lost *days* of status quo allocation activity, nothing more.
TV On Jul 28, 2008, at 8:31 AM, David Woodgate wrote:
Thanks, Geoff - this is useful information for the discussion. It seems to confirm that the likelihood of getting to 8,000 LIRs in the next 10 years is very unlikely. (And I suspect that not all of the 4,403 LIRs to whom allocations have been made by APNIC would be active now.) Regards, David At 03:13 PM 28/07/2008, Geoff Huston wrote:David Woodgate said the following on 22/7/08 14:10:My main problem is that prop-062 seems to risk locking up the majority of the last /8, and therefore does not share it at all, let alone in a fair and equitable fashion.I don't see how it is locking up the majority of the final /8. Would you please explain this.prop-062 allows for 16,000+ LIRs to each get a minimum /22 allocation. As discussed in a previous email, it seems hard to justify even 4,000 LIRs over the next few years; I'd suggest that 8,000 LIRs in the Asia-Pacific seems unlikely within 10 years. That would seem to leave up to 8,000-12,000 * /22s unclaimed for a long time. But - if I'm reading it correctly - prop-062 doesn't seem to suggest that anything else would be done with this unclaimed space, and therefore it won't be used during that time; that is, the space is "locked up" and unused.you make the claim that:"it seems hard to justify even 4,000 LIRs over the next few years;I'd suggest that 8,000 LIRs in the Asia-Pacific seems unlikely within 10 yearsHere's some historical data that may be useful in the context of this particular aspect of the discussion APNIC publish an "extended" version of the daily stats file(ftp://ftp.apnic.net/pub/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-extended- latest")The last field in each row is a code for the end entity recipient of the address allocation or assignment, or approximately "LIR" in your terminology.Now there is some small uncertainty in the figures as at times the NIR code is used instead, but overall heres the Ipv4 allocation record for APNIC since2000, based on the numbers in that published file year new repeat cumulative count 2000 94 432 2856 2001 86 430 2942 2002 83 339 3025 2003 115 425 3140 2004 120 570 3260 2005 216 617 3476 2006 253 786 3729 2007 394 745 4123 2008 280 429 4403 i.e. in 2007 APNIC made 394 IPv4 address allocations to "new" LIRs and 745 allocations to LIRs who had already previously received an address allocation. Overall APNIC appears to have made allocations / assignments to 4,403 LIRs since its inception, and some 1,547 new LIRs have been recorded since 1 Jan 2000 (i.e the last 8.5 years) regards, Geoff* sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy *_______________________________________________ sig-policy mailing list sig-policy at lists dot apnic dot net http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy