Re: [IANAxfer@apnic] APNIC IANA Process - Status Update
Yes you are right we had a bunch of messages and good discussion.
What I raised as "one" is for what followed the Paul Wilson's message
which introduced the Secretariat poposal directly, as I thought
Acharya's comment for "no discussion" seemed to point it out.
Thank you for your discussion!!
Akinori
(2014/10/17 0:46), Richard Hill wrote:
> Actually there were far more than only one message following Paul Wilson's
> message, see:
>
> http://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/ianaxfer/archive/2014/09/
>
>
> My comments on the substance of the proposal are at:
>
> http://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/ianaxfer/archive/2014/09/msg00003.h
> tml
>
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ianaxfer-bounces@apnic.net
>> [mailto:ianaxfer-bounces@apnic.net]On Behalf Of MAEMURA Akinori
>> Sent: jeudi, 16. octobre 2014 02:27
>> To: gurcharya@gmail.com; myamanis@japan-telecom.com
>> Cc: mueller@syr.edu; IANAxfer@apnic.net
>> Subject: Re: [IANAxfer@apnic] APNIC IANA Process - Status Update
>>
>>
>> Dear Acharya,
>>
>>
>> At Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:49:14 +0530
>> In message
>> <CAEEwkf7UvV=eST5ukkZGVBkG8ffsX6KUHX7eyzKkgzoiDcs5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
>> "Re: [IANAxfer@apnic] APNIC IANA Process - Status Update"
>> "Guru Acharya <gurcharya@gmail.com>" wrote:
>>
>> |
>> |
>> | I hope you agree that the APNIC Staff Proposal was not
>> discussed at all on
>> | this mailing list (except the post by Mr Wilson informing us about the
>> | existence of the proposal). Given that the mailing list was
>> created for the
>> | sole purpose of discussing the proposal, the absence of any
>> discussion on
>> | the mailing list suggests that something went wrong. Or does no
>> discussion
>> | (even a +1) mean consensus on the mailing list as well?
>> |
>> Reality is that :
>>
>> Paul Wilson informed of the Secretariat Proposal on September 8,
>> The session in Brisbane was held on September 17.
>> We had one message following the original.
>>
>> But I agree that there was no support/objection/discussion
>> on this on the ML until the session.
>>
>>
>> | Obviously not everyone can physically attend the APNIC
>> conference. Even if
>> | you may argue consensus was reached at the conference, I doubt you can
>> | suggest consensus was reached on the mailing list.
>> |
>> | I am not pointing fingers. I was just hopeful of seeing a more vibrant
>> | discussion.
>> |
>> For sure, for those who cannot attend in person,
>> APNIC provides remote participation means.
>>
>>
>> | Maybe you could start another thread on this mailing list explaining the
>> | proposal in detail and inviting comments from the list members.
>> |
>> | Please take this as a constructive suggestion.
>> |
>> That's a good suggestion, indeed.
>>
>> I am not sure what region or country you reside, I would
>> like to mention Asia Pacific region has the tendency that
>> people are quiet in discussion. I know this through my
>> 15 year experience in APNIC forum.
>>
>> I understand and agree that it should have been much better
>> if we successfully had had active on-the-list discussion
>> >from the peoople in region. It is a shame, indeed.
>>
>>
>> BTW, do you have any comment or input for the substance of
>> the proposal? If you have any, I'd love to know.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Akinori
>>
>>
>> |
>> |
>> | On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Masato Yamanishi <
>> | myamanis@japan-telecom.com> wrote:
>> |
>> | > Guru,
>> | > Firstly, I cannot copy and paste the transcript from some
>> reason, let me
>> | > refer videos of each session instead of copying the transcript.
>> | >
>> | > See inline my comment.
>> | >
>> | > Oct 15, 2014 9:44 AM、Guru Acharya <gurcharya@gmail.com> のメッセージ:
>> | >
>> | > Hi,
>> | >
>> | > This list (IANAxfer) created by APNIC to discuss the number
>> community's
>> | > response to the ICG RFP has been absolutely silent for almost
>> a month. I am
>> | > curious to know the current status of the process in the
>> numbers community;
>> | > and if an alternate medium/list is now being used to discuss
>> the transition.
>> | >
>> | > I'm also curious to know whether the APNIC staff proposal
>> presented during
>> | > APNIC-38 has been accepted as the final proposal?
>> | >
>> | >
>> | > As I mentinoed in AMM, this draft proposal was accepted by
>> APNIC community
>> | > as starting point of further discussion, not the final
>> proposal. Then we
>> | > will continue the discussion on this list until Nov.
>> | > (See around 29:00 in AMM session 3 video
>> | > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8KHOi7C-x8)
>> | >
>> | > I gather from the transcripts that the APNIC staff proposal
>> was met with
>> | > silence during the conference - and that this silence was
>> taken to be as
>> | > full consensus.
>> | >
>> | >
>> | > We discussed it for 38.5mins (you can see it from 35:30 to
>> 1:14:00 in the
>> | > video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg2Kp6SRhQQ ), so I cannot
>> | > understand why you call it "met with silence".
>> | > Rather, we, APNIC community, had active and health
>> discussion, and as a
>> | > moderator, I am confident we could reach to enough level of
>> consensus in
>> | > APNIC community.
>> | > Also, when I asked community views about second principle in draft
>> | > proposal, Dean said very useful comment, so you cannot call
>> it silence in
>> | > that meaning too. (See at 1:15:00 in same video)
>> | > Certainly, I didn't ask the consensus by show of hands nor voting, but
>> | > this proposal is NOT a policy proposal for our number
>> resources, so we have
>> | > multiple ways to ask community's view, and I am also sure
>> that the way I
>> | > asked the consensus is fully accepted in APNIC community.
>> | >
>> | > Regards,
>> | > Masato Yamanishi
>> | >
>> | >
>> | >
>> conference.apnic.net/data/38/20140917-1100-IANA-Stewardship-Transition.txt
>> | >
>> | > Further, how will the proposal be coordinated amongst the 5
>> RIRs at the
>> | > NRO level?
>> | >
>> | > Thanks,
>> | > Acharya
>> | >
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