Re: [apnic-talk] ICANN 49 event wrapup

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    • Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] ICANN 49 event wrapup
    • From: Dave Mead <dave_mead at aim dot com>
    • Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:13:58 -0400 (EDT)
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      • Hi Tony,
        
        
        Finally, a very positive response from APNIC. Glad to know you're following our discussion. Rest as below..........
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Tony Smith <tony at apnic dot net>
        
        To: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve at eintellegonetworks dot com>; Enrico Tam <enrico_tam at outlook dot com>
        Cc: apnic-talk <apnic-talk at lists dot apnic dot net>
        Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 12:20 am
        Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] ICANN 49 event wrapup
        
        Hi everyone
        
        I wanted to jump in here and provide some information which I hope will
        
        help in this email thread which has covered a few topics. So I hope this
        is useful:
        
        You took a big jump here and appreciate it.
        
        - APNIC's focus is the entire Asia-Pacific region and our track record
        
        over the past 20+ years shows we have tried our very best to service the needs of the whole region from a single office. The 2013 Annual Report,
        which was released a few weeks ago, is a good way to see our activities
        in the region last year as an example.  You can view it here:
        www.apnic.net/annualreport
        
        
        APNIC is serving two continents - Asia and Oceania. Yes, as per UN, these two are continents on their own. Please refer to
        
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme
        
        
        If ICANN aknowledged and recognised it cannot serve the entire world from US and started to globalize it, how can APNIC possibly serve two continents and assure its services are provided fairly to all those 56 countries under its management?
        
        - Balancing that reach is our task, and the costs associated with each
        approach need to be considered.  Do we maintain several offices or have
        one and do more travel / remote work instead? One other RIR has opted
        
        for multiple offices but (as Skeeve pointed out) our region is unique in having NIRs which play important roles. The Secretariat has always been responsible with Member funds in executing our duties so we've opted for
        a single office + a combination of remote conferencing
        technologies/travel for now.
        
        
        If you here the voices clearly on this discussion, I'm affraid, your reach and tasks are not fairly balanced among AP region. APNIC EC representation is so so good. But, what about the representation of the decision makers among APNIC senior management?
        
        
        90% are from Oceania. This is not an equal represntation and voice from across the AP region. Take an examle of Microsoft. There are damn good decision makers in ASIA too who can bring APNIC closer to the community yet maintain the equal representation.
        
        - We think that helping LEAs understand what information is publicly
        available to assist them in tackling online crime is worthwhile - not
        just for helping LEAs make the Internet safer, but it also helps reduce
        queries to our Member ISPs (as Rajesh noted) and APNIC.  While we view
        this as a positive investment of our time, the question of fees is
        something to consider.  It's worth mentioning that some of the LEA
        training to date has been jointly funded with other technical partners,
        and we do seek funding partners where possible.
        
        
        Yes, I agree too. Why not all LEA tainings are jointly funded with technical partners and tap into government budget?
        
        - We have the APNIC Survey coming up in June so I encourage everyone to
        
        have your say in this as it helps the Secretariat and the EC to plan and
        prioritise for the future.
        
        Definetly!
        
        But of course we always welcome Member discussion on this list -
        apnic-talk was set up for this very purpose!  So please do continue to
        use the list to share your thoughts, we do read all the messages
        
        Thanks for this postivie response and encouraging a healthy discussion.
        
        Best,
        -Dave Mead.
        
        Thanks
        Tony
        
        
        On 28/04/2014 10:34 am, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
        
        Enrico,
        
        Are you suggesting that APNIC isn't effectively representing Asian
        interests?  Have you looked to see who the EC comprises?
        
        Please check out:
        
        
        http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/organization/structure/apnic-executive-council/ec-members and
        let me and the community know if you do not think that most of these
        people are leaders from Asia who understand the local community and
        developments.
        
        Also, look at the staff breakdown of APNIC at
        http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/team which I think very clearly
        represents the economies in the region.
        
        I really don't know how you can suggest that APNIC is not an
        organisation that is heavily focused on Asia.
        
        Personally I think all this nationalistic talk is nonsense and people
        need to think of the whole community, not just their country or corner
        of the community.  To suggest that only asians in Asia can do the job
        effectively start to take us down a path that will get very messy.
        
        ...Skeeve
        
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        On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Enrico Tam <enrico_tam at outlook dot com
        <mailto:enrico_tam at outlook dot com>> wrote:
        
            Hi,
        
            This is a very good discussion. In principle I agree with most of
            your comments.
        
            Lets be realistic here and continue to debate meangifully.
        
            We are in the era of talking about IANA globalization. We have:
        
            1. DotAsia for ASIA, located in ASIA
            2. ITU office for ASIA, located in ASIA
            3. ICANN Hub for ASIA, located in ASIA
            4. ISOC hub for ASIA, located in ASIA
            5. APT for ASIA, located in ASIA
        
        
        Where is the RIR for ASIA? I think we're clearly missing out on
        our
        
        identity with not having an RIR for ASIA located in ASIA. Let's
        not
        
            talk about a regional office for South Asia, Sout East Asia, East
            Asia...this may not work for us with such a diverse region.
        
        
        Lets concentrate our efforts to have an ASIAN RIR that is headed
        by
        
            and managed by Leaders from ASIA who understands our community and
            the developments.
        
            Regards
            Enrico Tam
        
        
        
        
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            From: skeeve at eintellegonetworks dot com
            <mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks dot com>
            Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:42:05 +1000
            To: aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com <mailto:aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com>
            CC: apnic-talk at lists dot apnic dot net <mailto:apnic-talk at lists dot apnic dot net>
            Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] ICANN 49 event wrapup
        
            As I pointed out before... APNIC is the only RIR that has the
            concept of NIR's.   I think that NIR's address the needs of local
            resources where required.
        
        
        Any concept of regional offices should also be free as possible
        from
        
        travel restrictions and people accessing any resources. This is
        not
        
            the case in many countries in our region, which is why an NIR
            structure is far more suitable.
        
        
            ...Skeeve
        
            *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
            skeeve at eintellegonetworks dot com
        
        <mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks dot com> ;
        www.eintellegonetworks.com
        
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            On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Aftab Siddiqui
        
        <aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com <mailto:aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com>>
        wrote:
        
        
        
                Rajesh Sb,
        
        
        
        Why canât APNIC has an regional office in Islamabad or
        Dakha ?
        
        
        
                Thats an interesting point. If you can recall, RIPE NCC opened
        
        up its regional office in Dubai this year specifically to
        target
        
        middle-east region. South Asian region can have APNIC's
        regional
        
                office too.
        
                Regards,
        
                Aftab A. Siddiqui
        
        
        
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