Re: [apnic-talk] ICANN 49 event wrapup

    • To: "Skeeve Stevens" <skeeve at eintellegonetworks dot com>
    • Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] ICANN 49 event wrapup
    • From: haquehanif at hushmail dot com
    • Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:08:02 +0000
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        On Saturday, 26 April 2014 at 4:19 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <skeeve at eintellegonetworks dot com> wrote:
        >I rely on APNIC and its EC to consider the entire 
        >community/regions needs
        >as opposed to a vocal minority... even if that minority was just 
        >me yelling
        >about something.  We choose an EC whose roles transcend their home 
        >and become for the good of everyone they represent.
        I am yet to understand who the EC is representing. For sure the EC is not representing Members by allowing APNIC staff travel in business class.
        I am also yet to understand if APNIC is for Asia and Oceania or just for Oceania. I think this RIR is for Oceania not Asia. 
        1. Located in Australia (Oceania)
        2. Headed by an Australian and 90% of its senior managemnt or the decision makers are from Oceania.
        3. Follows Australian travel adversaries. No trainings or workshops here in Pakistan for last two years.
        4. Contributes to the Australian work force
        So, I think it is an 'Australia' Pacifc Network Information Centre (APNIC) not Asia Pacific RIR.
        >I think rather than accusations of mis-management, I'd spend some 
        >talking to members of the EC about why certain decisions are made. 
        > Most of
        >them are more than willing to talk to you and give you their 
        >perspective -
        >which btw, does not always agree across all EC members...  but 
        >most of the
        >time they come to a consensus for the benefit of all members...
        We're talking now and hope the EC pay close attention to this discussion.
        Hanif H Mohd
        Senior Network Consultant
        PKSP, Pakistan
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        >On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:26 PM, <haquehanif at hushmail dot com> wrote:
        >> Hi Dave,
        >> Very good point but its a taboo at APNIC to discuss about 
        >Members fee and
        >> APNIC (mis) management of funds. APNIC maintains a white list 
        >and a black
        >> list of public contacts. You're now in their black list for 
        >raising this.
        >> Like many others, this discussion will end up in the no through 
        >road. The
        >> Executive council we selected are like the famous three wise 
        >> no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil". For our representatives 
        >business is
        >> as usual.
        >> APNIC recently started providing training for law enforcement 
        >> using Members funds....we did not blessed either. Its a good 
        >initiative and
        >> I personally commend APNIC for this. However, these LEAs are 
        >> agencies and have big budgets. If LEAs request training APNIC 
        >must use LEAs
        >> budget to provide such trainings not Members funds. Its just not 
        >> Regards
        >> Hanif H Mohd
        >> Senior Network Consultant
        >> PKSP, Pakistan
        >> On Saturday, 26 April 2014 at 5:44 PM, "Dave Mead" 
        ><dave_mead at aim dot com>
        >> wrote:    Paul,
        >>  Your speech at Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program meeting 
        >> utterly disappointing to APNIC Members.
        >> You said, "...Members pay fees to APNIC to support the 
        >organisation and
        >> the services and they don't give APNIC a blessing to spend that 
        >money in
        >> unlimited fashion on Internet development..."
        >>  Members DID NOT BLESS APNIC to spend the fees on business class 
        >> which costs 3 times more than an economy class ticket. The 
        >entire senior
        >> management, including your Executve Assistant and those who work 
        >for APNIC
        >> as consultants travel in business class contributing to the 
        >success of the
        >> airlines but clearly not Internet development in this region.
        >>  Paul, you're leading a not-for-profit organisation not a 
        >> entity that you and your senior management can erode member 
        >funds for your
        >> comfortable travels across the world. This is just outrageous and
        >> mismanagement of Member funds.
        >>  Members like to see the Executive Council takes note of this 
        >and truely
        >> represent the Members to better manage their funds to contribute 
        >for the
        >> Internet development in this region. A lot of development work 
        >can be done
        >> if the funds are managed effectively not use for personal 
        >>  Best
        >>  -Dave Mead
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