Hi Akinori, I can understand you and other EC members' are worrying about the border between IG and others, but we need something as a starting point. So, how about figuring out resources (money and man-hour) which have been used for activities listed up in these presentations - p33 except "Outreach on security" and pp34-36 of https://conference.apnic.net/data/37/37annualreport-final-280214_1393550996.pdf - https://conference.apnic.net/data/37/discussion-session-280214_1393556533.pdf Andy> How do you think? Rgs, Masato Yamanishi
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