Re: [apnic-talk] IG discussion in AMM

    • To: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com>
    • Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] IG discussion in AMM
    • From: Masato Yamanishi <myamanis at japan-telecom dot com>
    • Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:29:13 -0700
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    • Thread-topic: [apnic-talk] IG discussion in AMM
      • Hi Aftab,

        Since Andy have already sent a statement expressing my concern very well,
        let me refer a couple of lines from his statement as answers for your questions.
        (Thank you > Andy)

        On 14/03/15 20:00, "Andy Linton" <asjl at lpnz dot org> wrote:

        Our community's decision making process is supposed to be bottom up and consensus driven. This model looks much more like top down and "we'll decide what's best and let you know".

        This is a gap which I'm pointing out.


        And other critical tasks that APNIC should be driving like IPv6 adoption languish. Perhaps the many hundreds of thousands of dollars APNIC spends on IG should be focussed on engaging with major industries at the CEO level explaining the business risks of not having a future proof addressing strategy. We may do that - I'd like to see the reports.

        It is another example which APNIC needs to tackle as daily task.

        And, can I ask your additional thought about your comment?

        On 14/03/14 23:14, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com> wrote:

        Hi Masato,
        Glad to see that you have started this thread to engage more people to have their opinion heard. 

        1. In current approach, it is NOT clear that Internet Governance has relevance to our daily businesses and operations in the Internet.
             As a result, current approach is making a gap inside APRICOT and/or APNIC community though its intension is involving more
             participants to Internet Governance activity.

        I partially agree with your above comment regarding the relevance of IG with daily businesses and operations. With my little experience I do understand your view point because the country you are based in Internet is governed through certain rules rules, norms and standards developed through consultation and well drafted framework. But in our part of the region, the picture is quite different, I hope you understand that difference. We are going through consultation phase to define those rules and standards to govern the internet. 

        I basically agree that the situation is different in each country.
        However, do you think current APNIC's IG activity  is reflecting your situation enough?

        Rgs,
        Masato Yamanishi



        On 14/03/14 23:14, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com> wrote:

        Hi Masato,
        Glad to see that you have started this thread to engage more people to have their opinion heard. 

        1. In current approach, it is NOT clear that Internet Governance has relevance to our daily businesses and operations in the Internet.
             As a result, current approach is making a gap inside APRICOT and/or APNIC community though its intension is involving more
             participants to Internet Governance activity.

        I partially agree with your above comment regarding the relevance of IG with daily businesses and operations. With my little experience I do understand your view point because the country you are based in Internet is governed through certain rules rules, norms and standards developed through consultation and well drafted framework. But in our part of the region, the picture is quite different, I hope you understand that difference. We are going through consultation phase to define those rules and standards to govern the internet. I'm not sure how to define the gap in community because of IG activities. Please help me and others to understand that how it is creating a gap.
         

        2. While there is a question for its efficiency, APNIC is spending too much budget and human resources for Internet Governance 
             activity and it is causing negative impact for APNIC daily operations as RIR.

         Yes, I'm also interested to know that how much budget and human resources have been spent on IG related activities and its outcome. Not in terms of $ but in terms of value. I beg to disagree that it is causing any negative impact on APNIC's daily operation as RIR. I'm a very constant troublemaker for APNIC helpdesk and Secretariat and I've never witnessed any delay or inappropriate response from APNIC staff. So I'm not sure what made you say that. Would you like to share any incident or issue which was not properly addressed?


        Regards,

        Aftab A. Siddiqui