Re: [apnic-talk] APNIC EC Election Review Panel
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: wtan at hush dot com [mailto:wtan at hush dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 7:36 PM
> To: apnic-talk at apnic dot net; Skeeve Stevens
> Subject: RE: [apnic-talk] APNIC EC Election Review Panel
>
> Hey Skeeve,
>
> you are my real friend you share same views as me. you also see my
> thoughts to your thoughts below
>
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:10:07 +1000 Skeeve Stevens
> <Skeeve at eintellego dot net> wrote:
> >Hey William,
> >
> >My thoughts on the below.
> >
> >- One member one vote. I'd like to agree, but it doesn't fairly
> >represent larger members with more at stake. It also enables
> >stacking.
> >
>
> what you mean by stacking? votes are not ip addresses so they are
> not supose to mix up. votes need to be seperate from number of ips
> a member got.
>
>
> >- Fixed 3 year terms for EC members - one term only. Well, not
> >massively opposed - perhaps 2 terms, but I agree that there seems
> >to be a pattern of encumbants getting re-elected which stops new
> >blood getting in. Maybe 2 terms max for 2 year terms.
>
> yes i like ur thinking. it should be maximum 2 terms for 2 years.
>
> >
> >- Equal representation across Asia Pac? What do you mean by that?
>
>
> if you look at the current ec or previous ec they all represent
> same sub region or same languauge. if apnic covers entire asia
> pacific like here
> http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/organization/apnics-region
>
> then the ec also should be equally represented but here is an
> analysis of the curent ec
>
> south asia - 0
> eastern asia - 5
> south eastern asia - 0
> australia/new zeland & pacific - 1
>
> that ec who left is also from eastern asia so that 6 from this.
> this is not equal voice on ec.
>
> >
> >- Director General Fixed term 5 years only once. Ok, I half
> >agree. There should be a limit, but I do acknowledge that it
> >takes a while to get the experience, relationships and everything
> >involved with being the DG... is 5 years enough? You take one year
> >to go to some meetings and get a handle, 3 years doing the job and
> >1 year to find the successor. I am a believer that no job should
> >'be for life', and Paul has been there for 10 years... and it
> >takes a long time to get the amount of experience he has gained on
> >all the committees, organisations and so on that he is involved
> >in. That said, there is always room for improvement and new blood
> >often brings this. So... 5 years, I think is too short, 7 years
> >seems more reasonable. And in no disrespect at all to Paul, but I
> >do support fixed terms with no extension and think that APNIC
> >could benefit from some new leadership. That said, I'm not
> >opposed to former DG's taking on some other sort of role in the
> >organisation.
>
> apnic business is distributuion and managment of ip addresses this
> is its focus. so i think 5 years is enough to make freindships
> with others in the cimmunity. we need new leadership after this 5
> years and for every 5 year term. also renumeration of this position
> must be capped so they director general do not waste our money.
>
> yes i agree too. former DG can take a advisor role again with a
> fixed salary and for only 2 years. this way the new dg can get help
> from former dgs.
>
> >
> >- Mid-year meeting. APNIC is NOT Apricot, or the other way
> >around. The mid-year meeting has value. This industry is moving
> >too fast to only have interaction once a year. I believe there
> >should be more 'micro' meetings. I'd like to see them quarterly,
> >with a specific focus - maybe only a weekend or something.
>
> what i mean to say is, apnic should have 2-3 mini meetings 1 per
> sub region and a big meeting with apricot. so all the members will
> have chance to express voice and give feedback. Skeeve my friend do
> you agree with this.
>
> >
> >- APNIC members fund DG luxurious travel. OK, I do agree with
> >this partly. I am VERY concerned that APNIC staff spend way too
> >much time in business class. The amount of APNIC staff that
> >travelled to KL in business-class was excessive in my opinion. I
> >think that too many staff at APNIC spend way more time travelling
> >in premium seating while clocking up tons of frequent flyer points
> >for their personal usage. I think that all FF points should be
> >owned by the business and used first if possible for travel. The
> >travel budget is way too high I believe.
>
> yes I too saw this when i attended apnic meeting. apnic is wasting
> our money and they increase fees to pay for this luxury travels.
>
> >
> >That said... when a staff member is representing APNIC and is
> >flying with short notice, or arriving just before they are
> >speaking/meeting - then I'd like to understand the wisdom of not
> >planning travel a little better. Is the difference between
> >Business Class and Economy is significant.
> >
> >Example: Sydney to Amsterdam. Business Class - $4476. Economy
> >$1100-$2000.
>
> wow see how much they wasting our money.
>
> >
> >So would it not be prudent to get there a day earlier to
> >recover/sleep and spend $300 on a hotel room than more than $2000
> >extra on a ticket? Even if you factor the daily wage of the
> >DG/senior staff, the savings here is significant.
> >
> >William, I agree with your message, but not the way you deliver
> >the last paragraph. It is very accusatory and rude. You will not
> >be taken seriously if you approach the situation like this.
>
> ok sorry skeeve. i dont hv good english like you.
>
> >
> >I had concerns about the travel budgets before the last meeting
> >and asked the DG/EC for a report on the travel expenses which they
> >provided (albeit slowly).
> >
> >What I would like to see is something like an Advisory Committee
> >of members only... that the EC can consult on member issues. ARIN
> >has this and I think it would be useful for APNIC to consider it.
>
> we elect ec and trust them that they do the job in support for us.
> but they rub hands with dg and forget us. i agree with you Skeeve.
> we need to have a advisory committee of members only.
>
> William
> Macua
>
> >
> >
> >...Skeeve
> >
> >--
> >Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director
> >eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists
> >skeeve at eintellego dot net / www.eintellego.net
> >Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954
> >Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
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> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net [mailto:apnic-talk-
> >> bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of wtan at hush dot com
> >> Sent: Monday, 5 July 2010 10:29 PM
> >> To: apnic-talk at apnic dot net
> >> Cc: exec-secretary at apnic dot net
> >> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] APNIC EC Election Review Panel
> >>
> >> Hi APNIC
> >>
> >> This is a well respected decision taken by the apnic ec. here
> >are
> >> my responses
> >>
> >> one member one vote to have fair and equitable.
> >> fixed term for an ec member of 3years. after this fixed term ec
> >> member is not to be eligible for the post for life.
> >> equal representation across asia pacific region.
> >>
> >> at the same time, i strongly recommend to make the apnic
> >director
> >> general post a fixed term. a director general can only serve
> >apnic
> >> for maximum 5years with no extension.
> >>
> >> apnic require a change in top order to move forward with fresh
> >and
> >> new strategies. for example, apnic meeting in mid year of no
> >value
> >> to its members but apnic continues to provide it. it is a waste
> >of
> >> members fees. apnic meeting should only be once a year along
> >with
> >> apricot.
> >>
> >> members are there to fund luxuriuos travel of director general.
> >> apnic is a not for profit body and it is responsible to manage
> >its
> >> finances with in the means. i suggest apnic ec take more control
> >of
> >> the day to day activities of apnic and put a new director
> >general
> >> in place for every 5 years so this position do not abuse members
> >> funds for personal luxury.
> >>
> >> rgrds
> >> william tan
> >>
> >>
> >>__________________________________________________________________
> >_
> >> >_
> >> >____
> >> >
> >> >APNIC EC Election Review Panel
> >>
> >>__________________________________________________________________
> >_
> >> >_
> >> >____
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The Executive Council of APNIC has recently established an
> >> >independent
> >> >Election Review Panel. This has been done in order to examine
> >this
> >> >topic
> >> >with an independent and neutral perspective.
> >> >
> >> >The members of the review panel are:
> >> >
> >> > - Adiel Akplogan
> >> > - Save Vocea
> >> > - Philip Smith
> >> >
> >> >The EC has appointed each of these individuals because they are
> >> >well-known members of the APNIC community who were present at
> >the
> >> >APNIC
> >> >29 Members Meeting, they are not associated with an
> >organizational
> >> >Member of APNIC, and they did not take part in the Executive
> >> >Council
> >> >election process in any way.
> >> >
> >> >The brief of this Panel is to prepare a factual report of the
> >> >events of
> >> >the EC election in March 2010 and consider the following
> >> >questions:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Were the election procedures followed?
> >> >
> >> > 2. Was the integrity of the election impaired in any
> >manner?
> >> >If
> >> > so, how?
> >> >
> >> > 3. To provide recommendations as to how the conduct of the
> >EC
> >> > election process could be improved, as appropriate.
> >> >
> >> >The purpose of this notice is to request community input to the
> >> >review
> >> >panel, addressing the questions being considered by the panel.
> >> >
> >> >Please address your response to this call for community input
> >to:
> >> >
> >> > exec-secretary at apnic dot net
> >> >
> >> >We would appreciate it if you could ensure that you submit your
> >> >response
> >> >before Monday, 5 July 2010.
> >> >
> >> >The Election Review Panel will review the responses received
> >from
> >> >this
> >> >community input, the video recording of the meeting and the
> >> >associated
> >> >transcripts, and the relevant APNIC corporate documents as part
> >of
> >> >its
> >> >brief. The Election Review Panel will submit its report to the
> >> >APNIC
> >> >Executive Council.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Geoff Huston
> >> >Secretary to the APNIC Election Review Panel
> >> >
> >> >On behalf of the Election Review Panel:
> >> >Adiel Akplogan, Save Vocea and Philip Smith
> >> >
> >>
> >>__________________________________________________________________
> >_
> >> >_
> >> >____
> >> >Geoff Houston exec-
> >> >secretary at apnic dot net
> >> >Secretary to the APNIC EC
> >> >Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61 7
> >3858
> >> >3100
> >> >PO Box 2131 Milton, QLD 4064 Australia Fax: +61 7
> >3858
> >> >3199
> >> >Level 1, 33 Park Road, Milton, QLD
> >> >http://www.apnic.net
> >>
> >>__________________________________________________________________
> >_
> >> >_
> >> >____
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> >>
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