Re: [apnic-talk] APNIC EC Election Review Panel
through some other platforms?
Just a question.
On Saturday, July 10, 2010, Sameer Bhagwat
<sameer1982.280 at rediffmail dot com> wrote:
> Masato and all,
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> Yes evidence is required so you may refer to Desi Valli email with all the evidence that he gathered. Now we only need other evidence to be fair is from apnic which is not available on website or in annual reports. apnic must provide this evidence so members can judge themselves. evidence required are
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> - travel bookings
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> I or we all cannot provide this evidence it has to come from apnic to show what we all are talking and if Desi Valli report is true or not to be fair.
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> rgrds
> SB
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> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:08:19 +0530 wrote
>>David and all,
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>> > So as an evidence how about we look at Mr Wilson's travel
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>> records for the last ten years or may be travel,
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>> accommodation, renumeration?
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>> Typically, accusers have evidence before making public accusations.
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> Yes, without concrete evidence, it is just criticizing for each individuals
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> and such way is not fair.
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> Rgs,
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> Masato
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net
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>> [mailto:apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of David Conrad
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>> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:51 AM
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>> To: Sameer Bhagwat
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>> Cc: apnic-talk at apnic dot net
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>> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] APNIC EC Election Review Panel
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>> Sameer,
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>> On Jul 8, 2010, at 3:19 AM, Sameer Bhagwat wrote:
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>> >> You're accusing the DG of misappropriating funds "for
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>> personal luxury"? That's pretty serious. What evidence do you have?
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>> > You are a former APNIC Director General and you are still
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>> askign for evidence.
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>> Well, yes. I was DG more than a decade ago. This doesn't
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>> give me any special insight into the internal workings of
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>> APNIC today, particularly of any alleged misappropriations.
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>> > So as an evidence how about we look at Mr Wilson's travel
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>> records for the last ten years or may be travel,
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>> accommodation, renumeration?
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>> Typically, accusers have evidence before making public accusations.
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>> > apnic is a membership based not-for-profit business and
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>> everything needs to be open to its members.
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>> APNIC is a business and as such, has appropriate
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>> confidentiality concerns (e.g., personnel records,
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>> proprietary networks plans submitted for justification of
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>> requests, etc). While I believe APNIC, as part of the
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>> bottom-up address policy definition mechanism, strives for
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>> openness and transparency as a component of its legitimacy,
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>> I'm curious as to why you believe its status as a
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>> not-for-profit demands "everything needs to be open to its members".
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>> > With due respect to Mr Wilson for his last ten years
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>> service and for what he has doen to APNIC but David, APNIC is
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>> not Mr Wilson's regime and nor it is his gold mine. its time
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>> that he step down and make way for fresh blood. enough is enough.
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>> Paul Wilson, as Director General, is the chief executive
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>> officer of APNIC and is employed at the discretion of the
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>> APNIC Executive Council which is elected by and acts on
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>> behalf of the membership. The Executive Council, with a
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>> 3/5th majority, can elect to remove the DG if they feel that
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>> is appropriate. The membership can, with a 2/3rds majority,
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>> amend any EC decision. You seem to believe Paul has acted
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>> inappropriately, yet have not explained why other than to
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>> insinuate he is traveling inappropriately and/or
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>> misappropriating funds (treating APNIC as "his gold mine").
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>> I've gotten no indication that the EC is particularly unhappy
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>> with Paul's performance of his duties. What exactly "enough"
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>> are you talking about?
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>> > APNIC's business is to distribute and manage ip addresses
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>> its not a rocket secience. so why it is costing so much to
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>> perform this task that Mr Wilson incresed member fees more
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>> than twice now and he might increase it again. Though this
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>> fee is neglible compare to the amount we pay for purchaisng
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>> equipment still is a cost to our business.
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>> > APNIC should be looking at cutting down expneses and
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>> cutting down staff numbers rather than increasing the fees.
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>> Once again apnic business is distributing and managing ip
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>> addresses not managing the world issues travelling around the
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>> world in business class with members fees.
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>> Historically, APNIC has performed services requested by its
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Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui