Re: [apnic-talk] APNIC EC Election Review Panel
you are my real friend you share same views as me. you also see my
thoughts to your thoughts below
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:10:07 +1000 Skeeve Stevens
<Skeeve at eintellego dot net> wrote:
>Hey William,
>
>My thoughts on the below.
>
>- One member one vote. I'd like to agree, but it doesn't fairly
>represent larger members with more at stake. It also enables
>stacking.
>
what you mean by stacking? votes are not ip addresses so they are
not supose to mix up. votes need to be seperate from number of ips
a member got.
>- Fixed 3 year terms for EC members - one term only. Well, not
>massively opposed - perhaps 2 terms, but I agree that there seems
>to be a pattern of encumbants getting re-elected which stops new
>blood getting in. Maybe 2 terms max for 2 year terms.
yes i like ur thinking. it should be maximum 2 terms for 2 years.
>
>- Equal representation across Asia Pac? What do you mean by that?
if you look at the current ec or previous ec they all represent
same sub region or same languauge. if apnic covers entire asia
pacific like here
http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/organization/apnics-region
then the ec also should be equally represented but here is an
analysis of the curent ec
south asia - 0
eastern asia - 5
south eastern asia - 0
australia/new zeland & pacific - 1
that ec who left is also from eastern asia so that 6 from this.
this is not equal voice on ec.
>
>- Director General Fixed term 5 years only once. Ok, I half
>agree. There should be a limit, but I do acknowledge that it
>takes a while to get the experience, relationships and everything
>involved with being the DG... is 5 years enough? You take one year
>to go to some meetings and get a handle, 3 years doing the job and
>1 year to find the successor. I am a believer that no job should
>'be for life', and Paul has been there for 10 years... and it
>takes a long time to get the amount of experience he has gained on
>all the committees, organisations and so on that he is involved
>in. That said, there is always room for improvement and new blood
>often brings this. So... 5 years, I think is too short, 7 years
>seems more reasonable. And in no disrespect at all to Paul, but I
>do support fixed terms with no extension and think that APNIC
>could benefit from some new leadership. That said, I'm not
>opposed to former DG's taking on some other sort of role in the
>organisation.
apnic business is distributuion and managment of ip addresses this
is its focus. so i think 5 years is enough to make freindships
with others in the cimmunity. we need new leadership after this 5
years and for every 5 year term. also renumeration of this position
must be capped so they director general do not waste our money.
yes i agree too. former DG can take a advisor role again with a
fixed salary and for only 2 years. this way the new dg can get help
from former dgs.
>
>- Mid-year meeting. APNIC is NOT Apricot, or the other way
>around. The mid-year meeting has value. This industry is moving
>too fast to only have interaction once a year. I believe there
>should be more 'micro' meetings. I'd like to see them quarterly,
>with a specific focus - maybe only a weekend or something.
what i mean to say is, apnic should have 2-3 mini meetings 1 per
sub region and a big meeting with apricot. so all the members will
have chance to express voice and give feedback. Skeeve my friend do
you agree with this.
>
>- APNIC members fund DG luxurious travel. OK, I do agree with
>this partly. I am VERY concerned that APNIC staff spend way too
>much time in business class. The amount of APNIC staff that
>travelled to KL in business-class was excessive in my opinion. I
>think that too many staff at APNIC spend way more time travelling
>in premium seating while clocking up tons of frequent flyer points
>for their personal usage. I think that all FF points should be
>owned by the business and used first if possible for travel. The
>travel budget is way too high I believe.
yes I too saw this when i attended apnic meeting. apnic is wasting
our money and they increase fees to pay for this luxury travels.
>
>That said... when a staff member is representing APNIC and is
>flying with short notice, or arriving just before they are
>speaking/meeting - then I'd like to understand the wisdom of not
>planning travel a little better. Is the difference between
>Business Class and Economy is significant.
>
>Example: Sydney to Amsterdam. Business Class - $4476. Economy
>$1100-$2000.
wow see how much they wasting our money.
>
>So would it not be prudent to get there a day earlier to
>recover/sleep and spend $300 on a hotel room than more than $2000
>extra on a ticket? Even if you factor the daily wage of the
>DG/senior staff, the savings here is significant.
>
>William, I agree with your message, but not the way you deliver
>the last paragraph. It is very accusatory and rude. You will not
>be taken seriously if you approach the situation like this.
ok sorry skeeve. i dont hv good english like you.
>
>I had concerns about the travel budgets before the last meeting
>and asked the DG/EC for a report on the travel expenses which they
>provided (albeit slowly).
>
>What I would like to see is something like an Advisory Committee
>of members only... that the EC can consult on member issues. ARIN
>has this and I think it would be useful for APNIC to consider it.
we elect ec and trust them that they do the job in support for us.
but they rub hands with dg and forget us. i agree with you Skeeve.
we need to have a advisory committee of members only.
William
Macua
>
>
>...Skeeve
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net [mailto:apnic-talk-
>> bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of wtan at hush dot com
>> Sent: Monday, 5 July 2010 10:29 PM
>> To: apnic-talk at apnic dot net
>> Cc: exec-secretary at apnic dot net
>> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] APNIC EC Election Review Panel
>>
>> Hi APNIC
>>
>> This is a well respected decision taken by the apnic ec. here
>are
>> my responses
>>
>> one member one vote to have fair and equitable.
>> fixed term for an ec member of 3years. after this fixed term ec
>> member is not to be eligible for the post for life.
>> equal representation across asia pacific region.
>>
>> at the same time, i strongly recommend to make the apnic
>director
>> general post a fixed term. a director general can only serve
>apnic
>> for maximum 5years with no extension.
>>
>> apnic require a change in top order to move forward with fresh
>and
>> new strategies. for example, apnic meeting in mid year of no
>value
>> to its members but apnic continues to provide it. it is a waste
>of
>> members fees. apnic meeting should only be once a year along
>with
>> apricot.
>>
>> members are there to fund luxuriuos travel of director general.
>> apnic is a not for profit body and it is responsible to manage
>its
>> finances with in the means. i suggest apnic ec take more control
>of
>> the day to day activities of apnic and put a new director
>general
>> in place for every 5 years so this position do not abuse members
>> funds for personal luxury.
>>
>> rgrds
>> william tan
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________________
>_
>> >_
>> >____
>> >
>> >APNIC EC Election Review Panel
>>
>>__________________________________________________________________
>_
>> >_
>> >____
>> >
>> >
>> >The Executive Council of APNIC has recently established an
>> >independent
>> >Election Review Panel. This has been done in order to examine
>this
>> >topic
>> >with an independent and neutral perspective.
>> >
>> >The members of the review panel are:
>> >
>> > - Adiel Akplogan
>> > - Save Vocea
>> > - Philip Smith
>> >
>> >The EC has appointed each of these individuals because they are
>> >well-known members of the APNIC community who were present at
>the
>> >APNIC
>> >29 Members Meeting, they are not associated with an
>organizational
>> >Member of APNIC, and they did not take part in the Executive
>> >Council
>> >election process in any way.
>> >
>> >The brief of this Panel is to prepare a factual report of the
>> >events of
>> >the EC election in March 2010 and consider the following
>> >questions:
>> >
>> > 1. Were the election procedures followed?
>> >
>> > 2. Was the integrity of the election impaired in any
>manner?
>> >If
>> > so, how?
>> >
>> > 3. To provide recommendations as to how the conduct of the
>EC
>> > election process could be improved, as appropriate.
>> >
>> >The purpose of this notice is to request community input to the
>> >review
>> >panel, addressing the questions being considered by the panel.
>> >
>> >Please address your response to this call for community input
>to:
>> >
>> > exec-secretary at apnic dot net
>> >
>> >We would appreciate it if you could ensure that you submit your
>> >response
>> >before Monday, 5 July 2010.
>> >
>> >The Election Review Panel will review the responses received
>from
>> >this
>> >community input, the video recording of the meeting and the
>> >associated
>> >transcripts, and the relevant APNIC corporate documents as part
>of
>> >its
>> >brief. The Election Review Panel will submit its report to the
>> >APNIC
>> >Executive Council.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Geoff Huston
>> >Secretary to the APNIC Election Review Panel
>> >
>> >On behalf of the Election Review Panel:
>> >Adiel Akplogan, Save Vocea and Philip Smith
>> >
>>
>>__________________________________________________________________
>_
>> >_
>> >____
>> >Geoff Houston exec-
>> >secretary at apnic dot net
>> >Secretary to the APNIC EC
>> >Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61 7
>3858
>> >3100
>> >PO Box 2131 Milton, QLD 4064 Australia Fax: +61 7
>3858
>> >3199
>> >Level 1, 33 Park Road, Milton, QLD
>> >http://www.apnic.net
>>
>>__________________________________________________________________
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>> >_
>> >____
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