Re: [apnic-talk] Elections (myamanis@bb.softbank.co.jp)
I'm afraid you will not be able to convince enough number of people
without describing more concrete case which you may have concern.
Rgs,
Masato YAMANISHI
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> [mailto:apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of Brajesh Jain
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> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections (myamanis at bb.softbank dot co dot jp)
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> Dear Yamanishi San,
>
> Actually the concern is that regions not having
> representation in EC feel
> that their view is not heard. If actually it is being heard,
> there is very
> less visibility that it is indeed so.
>
> Hence it is appropriate that there is mechanism to hear and
> respond to all.
> EC representation gives that confidence.
>
> With regards
>
> Brajesh Jain
> Chair
> ISOC Delhi Chapter
>
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> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:18:10 +0900
> From: <myamanis at bb.softbank dot co dot jp>
> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections
> To: <ajwaninaresh at gmail dot com>, <aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com>,
> <mmc at internode dot com dot au>
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> Dear Naresh and all,
>
> It seems that your concern (and recent discussions) are focused on the
> composition
> of EC and the election system. However, IMHO, the composition
> is just the
> surface
> and the election system is just a procedure.
> Most important point for all stakeholder is the output of EC
> and each EC
> member's
> contribution for it, I believe.
>
> What is your concerns from this point?
>
> Rgs,
> Masato YAMANISHI
>
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> From: apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net
> [mailto:apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of Naresh Ajwani
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:02 PM
> To: 'Aftab Siddiqui'; 'Matthew Moyle-Croft'
> Cc: apnic-talk at apnic dot net
> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections
>
>
> This transparency has to come-how voting took place,
> number of votes
> casted to all candidates....we can?t limit this information to selectd
> few.....Shall we move to way forward or still more
> discussions are required
> on the concerns?
>
> Regards and best wishes
>
> Naresh Ajwani
>
>
> From: apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net
> [mailto:apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of
> Aftab Siddiqui
> Sent: 09 March 2010 11:05
> To: Matthew Moyle-Croft
> Cc: apnic-talk at apnic dot net
> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Elections
>
> Hello Mathew,
> In my opinion the problem is not with very "Small
> Voting Rights" but
> the problem is how many members from these economies actually
> cast their
> vote. Can any one from APNIC share these stats?
>
> Regards,
> Aftab A. Siddiqui
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft
> <mmc at internode dot com dot au> wrote:
>
> On 09/03/2010, at 3:02 PM, Aadit Shrestha wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear all,
> How about having 1 rotating seat for economies like Bangladesh,
> Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal and others who control
> very small voting
> rights, and who have never had a member elected and cannot do
> so in the
> foreseeable future with the same regulations.
>
> There's ?56 countries which are in the APNIC RIR
> "zone". I count 9
> (Japan, Australia, Korea, India, China, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Taiwan,
> Thailand) that have had members from their countries elected
> to the board.
>
>
> The seat could go on a round robin basis on
> pure consensus.
>
> One thing missing from the table of WHO got elected is
> who has run
> for election. Of the nations you mention above have any of
> them attempted
> to gain a position on the EC and been unable? If they were
> elected to the
> EC through a change of policy what would you assert the
> difference would be
> as far as APNIC is run and resources allocated? Especially as my
> understanding that the policies behind resource allocation
> etc are set by
> members voting by show of hands at the meetings not by the EC
> in private.
>
> There seems to be a number of people pushing the idea
> that somehow
> some nations are favoured over others at APNIC and that
> somehow the nations
> with smaller voting rights are "missing out". Is this
> really the case?
>
> Is it a language issue or a cultural issue? Is the
> issue that some
> people assume it's harder for them than others or that it's
> harder because
> they don't do it that often? The company I work for does
> quite a bit of
> work to do our allocations especially now we have to justify
> some historic
> space.
>
> Is the actual issue education and maybe some help/mentoring from
> others? eg. maybe some exchange of ideas between members in
> different
> parts of the region might actually help those who don't
> interact with APNIC
> as often for allocation get some help from those who do or have less
> cultural/language issues?
>
> Regards,
> Matthew
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