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Re: [apnic-talk] [AusNOG] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group

• To: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail dot com>, "Col. R. S. Perhar" <rsperhar at gmail dot com>
• Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [AusNOG] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group
• From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1 at ix dot netcom dot com>
• Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:26:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
• Cc: pacnog at pacnog dot org, Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego dot net>, apnic-talk at apnic dot net, Mark Smith <nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc dot nosense dot org>, ausnog at ausnog dot net, nznog <nznog at list.waikato dot ac dot nz>
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Siva and all,     Siva is essentially correct in his claim here.  The history of the ITU's intervention tactics is long and sorted indeed! -----Original Message----- From: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy Sent: Feb 27, 2010 4:04 AM To: "Col. R. S. Perhar" Cc: pacnog at pacnog dot org, Skeeve Stevens , apnic-talk at apnic dot net, Mark Smith , ausnog at ausnog dot net, nznog Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [AusNOG] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group Hello Col Perhar, ITU has made several attempts to take charge of the Internet. It tried interfering in the working of the IETF, has continuously tried to appropriate the Internet standards making process, is known to have made attempts to capture ICANN. http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/governance/2010-02/msg00334.html ITU has an interest in names and numbers because it wishes to work towards making all of the Internet as a subset of the Telecom infrastructure, which would enable the ITU member telecoms to throw away the "no-body-owns-or- controls-the-Internet" model and bring in business models that would ring in enormous revenues for its member telecoms.  If it is of any interest to the list to know more about the ITU background, please see the message that I posted at the IGC list (and the subsequent exchanges in response).  http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/governance/2010-02/msg00334.html Perhaps the ITU feels that it should own the Internet and run it on a pay-per-second billing model. Sivasubramanian Muthusamy http://www.isocmadras.com facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Col. R. S. Perhar <rsperhar at gmail dot com> wrote: I don't find any reason or need by ITU for any standardization, country wise allocation or any other reason someone may think of. A structure already exists through the respective RIR's. Where is the need for duplication? Seems to be a muscle flexing or empire building ex!! Col R S Perhar -----Original Message----- From: apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net [mailto:apnic-talk-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:29 AM To: Mark Smith Cc: nznog; apnic-talk at apnic dot net; ausnog at ausnog dot net; pacnog at pacnog dot org Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [AusNOG] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group As usual Mark, your contributions are unbiased and well thought out. ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve at eintellego dot net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego -- NOC, NOC, who's there? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smith > [mailto:nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc dot nosense dot org] > Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2010 1:24 PM > To: Skeeve Stevens > Cc: apnic-talk at apnic dot net; ausnog at ausnog dot net; nznog; pacnog at pacnog dot org > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group > > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:08:19 +1100 > Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego dot net> wrote: > > > This is an FYI for those interested.  Btw, RIPE NCC is the European > version of APNIC for those that don't know. > > > > The ITU are looking at bypassing the RIR's (Ripe, APNIC, ARIN, > AFRINIC, LACNIC) and becoming their own numbering authority.  Clearly > this is not the desired option as the structure already exists for > exactly what they want to do, but rather than regionally, they want to > do it per country.... for who knows what reason. > > > > Because they're bellheads. > > > -- > > Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director > > eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists > > skeeve at eintellego dot net / www.eintellego.net > > Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 > > Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve > > www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego > > -- > > NOC, NOC, who's there? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: admin-bounces at tuenti dot com [mailto:admin-bounces at tuenti dot com] On > Behalf Of Axel Pawlik > > Sent: Friday, 26 February 2010 3:20 AM > > To: ncc-announce at ripe dot net > > Subject: [Admin] [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position > On The ITU IPv6 Group > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > As you may be aware, the International Telecommunication Union's > (ITU) > > Telecommunication Standardization Bureau (TSB) has convened an ITU > > IPv6 Group, the first meeting of which will be held on 15-16 March > > 2010 in Geneva, Switzerland. Information on this group is available > at: > > http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/othergroups/ipv6/ > > > > Among the group's Terms of Reference are the following: > > > >    * To draft a global policy proposal for the reservation of a large > > IPv6 block, taking into consideration the future needs of developing > > countries (as outlined in paragraph 23 of ITU document C09/29). > > > >    * To further study possible methodologies and related > > implementation mechanisms to ensure 'equitable access' to IPv6 > > resource by countries. > > > >    * To further study the possibility for ITU to become another > > Internet Registry, and propose policies and procedures for ITU to > > manage a reserved IPv6 block. > > > >    * To further study the feasibility and advisability of > implementing > > the CIR [Country Internet Registry] model for those countries who > > would request national allocations. > > > > The ITU IPv6 Group is open to ITU Member States and Sector Members of > > ITU-T and ITU-D. RIRs that are not members have also been extended an > > invitation to participate. > > > > IPv6 address policy is clearly of critical importance to the RIPE NCC > > membership, and the unsympathetic implementation of any of the Terms > > of Reference stated above would have serious impact on the global IP > > address distribution environment. > > > > Members of RIPE NCC staff will be participating in this meeting of > the > > ITU IPv6 Group to represent the interests of our members and > community. > > > > The position of the RIPE NCC is based on support for smooth and > > reliable working of the Internet globally, and for the bottom-up, > open > > policy development process that allows for all stakeholders, > including > > business, government and the technical community, to participate. > > > > Some of the issues addressed in the Terms of Reference listed above > > are a cause for concern because they could directly affect the RIPE > > NCC operations as a Regional Internet Registry (RIR). Therefore, the > > RIPE NCC position on the Terms of Reference is as follows: > > > > * The needs of developing economies in IP address policy are > > important. Network operators in these economies have fair and equal > > access to IPv6 resources from the Regional Internet Registries > (RIRs), > > and to the Policy Development Processes in their RIR and globally. > > Each of the RIRs has been allocated an equal block of IPv6 to > > distribute to networks in their region. (eg. AfriNIC has been > > allocated the same sized block of IPv6 as the RIPE NCC). > > > > * IPv6 allocations made by RIRs to date amount to the equivalent of > > 500 times the size of the entire IPv4 address pool, allocated to > > networks in over 150 economies. > > > > * If a significant sector in the Internet community feels that the > > "reservation of a large IPv6 block" for "the future needs of > > developing countries" is warranted, the open, bottom-up Policy > > Development Processes (PDPs) of the RIRs provide an appropriate forum > > in which to argue that case and develop such a policy. > > > > * The RIRs, as the recognised stewards of Internet Number Resources, > > are working, individually, jointly, and with invited experts, to > > engage the ITU membership. We have closely followed discussions in > the > > ITU to date. The RIPE NCC does not believe that there are any > problems > > that would be solved by the shift to a country-based allocation > system > > or the installation of the ITU as an Internet Registry. > > > > The purpose of this email is to ensure that all RIPE NCC members are > > informed of the RIPE NCC's participation in this ITU IPv6 Group, and > > our position. If you have any comments or questions regarding this > > information, please send an email to <ncc at ripe dot net>. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Axel Pawlik > > Managing Director > > RIPE NCC > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss > list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: > http://lirportal.ripe.net/ > > First click on General and then click on Edit. > > At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses. > > _______________________________________________ > > AusNOG mailing list > > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ apnic-talk mailing list apnic-talk at lists dot apnic dot net http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apnic-talk _______________________________________________ apnic-talk mailing list apnic-talk at lists dot apnic dot net http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apnic-talk   Regards, Jeffrey A. 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