[apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for comme
I would just like to mention few points
a) It is not appropriate to compare APNIC services available now and for
past few years with proposed NIR services in future.
b) This is not first time that NIR is being formed in a country. So already
there are good practices available ( as well as pitfalls). India NIR surely
should work to get benefit from NIRs already existing in other countries.
c) Once again I humbly submit, NIR can supplement APNIC existing services
like training etc relevant to India. An example, APNIC biannual meetings are
being held in countries in some order and as per APNIC guidelines. India
would get chance say once in 4/5 years. NIR should hold such meetings within
the framework of APNIC guideline, in INDIA every quarter thus 4 times or
more in one year.
d) But please donot try to have doubts on new born ( yet to be) baby to
match Usain Bolt ( APNIC ). Or to even think of matching deep knowledge,
understanding and perspective like Geoff has.
e) The pains of such baby being born on the parent, like financial stability
needs to be supported by India NIR and other NIR siblings.
With regards
Brajesh Jain
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for
Comments (Andy Linton)
2. Re: [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for
Comments (kramvir singh)
3. Re: [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for
Comments (Gaurab Raj Upadhaya)
4. Re: [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call for
Comments (Naresh Ajwani)
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:18:56 +1300
From: Andy Linton <asjl at lpnz dot org>
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR -
Call for Comments
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I'd posted my comments on this via the website but I'll add a couple of
thoughts here.
There are a set of criteria for creating an NIR. If the Indian application
meets those criteria then it should proceed. I don't believe they have to
justify their existence in the way a number of people on this list seem to
think.
If that causes problems for APNIC because of changes in funding then that's
not a reason for the application to be rejected - there's nothing in the
policy that allows for that.
andy
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:31:13 +0530
From: kramvir singh <krmvrsngh61 at gmail dot com>
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR -
Call for Comments
To: kusumba at vebtel dot com
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Which country are you from , India or Pakistan?
If India, please clarify which Internet community you represent as, you
have mentioned in your mail you have been saying ?we/community??
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kramvir singh
<krmvrsngh61 at gmail dot com>wrote:
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Vebtel - Kusumba S <kusumba at vebtel dot com>
> Date: Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR -
Call
> for Comments
> To: apnic-talk at lists dot apnic dot net
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I think this thread is running no where since the "need" and "cause" are
> way apart and are not justified. So, as I see, here is what I think the
> least expected here, ofcourse resulting in what I have explained in
> "activity 2" here:
>
> *Activity 1:*
>
> 1) The applicant makes the application public here.
>
> 2) The applicant demonstrates endorsement and adoption of open policy
frame
> work by doing the following:
>
> i) publish documentation for composition of the proposed company
> ii) publish documentation for composition of the proposed board,
> stake holding, election process of the board, election of the CEO / Chair
/
> Secretary / Treasurer
> iii) publish documentation detailing voting policy and voting
rights
> for both members and non members
> iv) publish documentation for making policy proposals, policy
> framework, policy endorsements and policy management
> v) publish documentation for decision management cycle, board
> functioning and member participation
> vi) publish process for financial management, financial decision
> power, funding structure and budget
> vii) publish documentation detailing process management such as
> "resource requests", "change requests", "whois updates", "object
> management", etc
> viii) demonstrate the capability of managing the operations of NIR
> by showcasing the proposed team structure, roles and functions definitions
> ix) publish document detailing the roles of members, non - members,
> interest groups and community participation
>
> finally,
>
> ix) an undertaking that the resource allocation will be free and
> open as per the above frame work and the same shall not be inter linked or
> related to any other compliances and process of either licensing or
> regulations. The same need to be adopted into the "Articles of
Association"
> and "Memorandum of Association" of the proposed company, which I guess
will
> be an independent section 25 (not for profit) company without stake
holding
> by any other existing companies.
>
> *Activity 2:*
>
> 1) If NIR in India is formed, the revenues of APNIC will be impacted
> significantly. I am not sure if there is a way out there, but here is what
I
> propose:
>
> i) APNIC should start considering outsourcing some of their operations
> to least operational-cost countries like India, that helps them to reduce
> the operational costs including real estate costs, staff costs,
> communication costs, etc.
>
> ii) APNIC may publish financial projections for next three years with
> two options:
>
> a) continue operations as-is and the impact with Indian NIR
> (considering about 70% of the Indian members will move to Indian NIR in
next
> one year)
>
> b) outsource or relocate some of the operations to
> low-operational cost countries and analyse the impact on the financial
> situation.
>
> I am confident that the answers for all the above will make the community
> be assured that things are the way as needed.
>
> Greetings,
>
> *Kusumba S
> www.linkedin.com/in/kusumba
> *
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:27:02 +0000
From: Gaurab Raj Upadhaya <gaurab at lahai dot com>
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR -
Call for Comments
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Thanks Andy, My thoughts exactly.
As long as the application fulfills the criteria for setting up a new
NIR, there shouldn't be other reasons for it to be delayed.
- -gaurab
Andy Linton wrote:
> I'd posted my comments on this via the website but I'll add a couple of
> thoughts here.
>
> There are a set of criteria for creating an NIR. If the Indian
> application meets those criteria then it should proceed. I don't believe
> they have to justify their existence in the way a number of people on
> this list seem to think.
>
> If that causes problems for APNIC because of changes in funding then
> that's not a reason for the application to be rejected - there's nothing
> in the policy that allows for that.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:02:05 +0530
From: "Naresh Ajwani" <ajwaninaresh at gmail dot com>
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR -
Call for Comments
To: "'Andy Linton'" <asjl at lpnz dot org>, <apnic-talk at lists dot apnic dot net>
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Thanks Andy for putting the discussion back on track. When the angular
momentum
of the discussion is too high, there is a tendency to go off on a tangent.
Debate
is always a good thing and one shall not be shy to face it but once when one
finds lack of focus rather direction, it reaches to the existence issue and
all
sort of emotional reactions.
While giving the recognition, in the interest of openness and transparency
the
application is posted on APNIC website subsequent to the
meetings/validating/going-through the criteria of: 1. Endorsement at
National
level by the appropriate Government body, 2. Non-profit structure, 3.
Neutrality,
4 Funding, 5. Capacity and 6. Operational Procedures filed by the applicant.
For
India, NIXI has adhered.
Hope we can debate meaningfully with the clarity contributed by you. J
Regards and best wishes,
Naresh Ajwani
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Sent: 23 November 2009 09:49
To: apnic-talk at lists dot apnic dot net
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] [Apnic-announce] Application for India NIR - Call
for
Comments
I'd posted my comments on this via the website but I'll add a couple of
thoughts
here.
There are a set of criteria for creating an NIR. If the Indian application
meets
those criteria then it should proceed. I don't believe they have to justify
their
existence in the way a number of people on this list seem to think.
If that causes problems for APNIC because of changes in funding then that's
not a
reason for the application to be rejected - there's nothing in the policy
that
allows for that.
andy
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