[apnic-talk] Fw: [lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?

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  • Subject: [apnic-talk] Fw: [lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?
  • From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming at ameritech dot net>
  • Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:07:39 -0600
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      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Axel Pawlik" <axel.pawlik at ripe dot net>
      To: "Peter Galbavy" <peter.galbavy at knowtion dot net>
      Cc: "Local IR Working Group" <lir-wg at ripe dot net>
      Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:37 AM
      Subject: [lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?
      
      
      > Dear Peter,
      > 
      > Activities of the RIPE NCC, including its operation and
      > yearly fee structure, are approved by the membership as
      > proposed in the annual RIPE NCC Activity Plan. The RIPE NCC
      > Activity Plan is formed on input from the RIPE community
      > and users of RIPE NCC services.
      > 
      > The RIPE NCC's Activity Plan for 2003 was published for
      > comment to the community on 17 September this year. The
      > plan was then presented by the Executive Board of the
      > RIPE NCC for membership approval at the annual
      > General Meeting (GM) of the RIPE NCC. This year's GM
      > was held 29 October 2002. At the meeting, the membership
      > voted unanimously to approve the fee structure, thereby
      > increasing their fees.
      > 
      > The RIPE NCC, operating as a not-for-profit organisation,
      > budgets on a cost-recovery basis. This implies that we
      > make an expense proposal and a matching charging scheme.
      > 
      > Due to the economic situation, we saw substantially less
      > influx of new members over the course of the last twelve
      > months than forecast, also we have lost member due to
      > closures and mergers. As a result of that, the RIPE NCC
      > will have a sizeable deficit this year.
      > 
      > Membership decisions taken over the course of the years
      > have made it possible that we can rely on our reserves to
      > cover the cost of operations this year. To ensure that the
      > prime goal of our membership is met, namely to run RIPE NCC
      > operations stably, we have proposed the current figures
      > for the year 2003.
      > 
      > The RIPE NCC appreciates membership feedback and encourages
      > active participation by our members.
      > 
      > More information is available from the following RIPE Documents:
      > 
      > - "Highlights from the RIPE NCC General Meeting 2002" located at:
      > 
      > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/gm/gm2002/highlights.html
      > 
      > - "RIPE NCC Activities, Expenditures, and Charging Scheme 2003" located at:
      > 
      > http://www/ripe/docs/ap2003.html
      > 
      > - "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" located at:
      > 
      > http://www/ripe/docs/billing2003.html
      > 
      > kind regards,
      > 
      > Axel Pawlik
      > 
      
      > From: "Peter Galbavy" <peter.galbavy at knowtion dot net>
      > Is there an independent board that is charged with overseeing that money is not wasted in lean years ? 
      > ===
      > 
      > RIPE is clearly "under" ARIN...partly because of IN-ADDR.ARPA (ARIN|Nominum) being under .ARPA (ICANN).
      > 
      > http://www.google.com/search?q=nominum+arin
      > http://www.nominum.com/news/press-releases/arin-pr.html
      > http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/3531_752211
      > http://www.ultradns.com/about/advisors.html
      > http://www.arin.net/about_us/ab_org_bot.html
      > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
      > http://www.markletaskforce.org/
      > http://aspeninstitute.org/c&s/ipp.html
      > 
      > http://www.arin.net/library/minutes/bot/bot04082002.html
      > ARIN Board of Trustees Meeting, Las Vegas, Nevada
      > April 8, 2002 
      > 
      > called the meeting to order at 5:05 p.m. MDT
      > ...adjourn the meeting at 5:09 p.m. MDT
      > 
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Peter Galbavy" <peter.galbavy at knowtion dot net>
      > To: "Axel Pawlik" <axel.pawlik at ripe dot net>
      > Cc: "Local IR Working Group" <lir-wg at ripe dot net>
      > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:44 AM
      > Subject: Re: [lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?
      > 
      > 
      > > > Activities of the RIPE NCC, including its operation and
      > > > yearly fee structure, are approved by the membership as
      > > > proposed in the annual RIPE NCC Activity Plan. The RIPE NCC
      > > > Activity Plan is formed on input from the RIPE community
      > > > and users of RIPE NCC services.
      > > 
      > > you forgot to add "... and can be read in a locked filing cabinet in the
      > > basement, stored in a disused lavoratory marked beware of the leopard." Or
      > > whatever the full quote is.
      > > 
      > > > Due to the economic situation, we saw substantially less
      > > > influx of new members over the course of the last twelve
      > > > months than forecast, also we have lost member due to
      > > > closures and mergers. As a result of that, the RIPE NCC
      > > > will have a sizeable deficit this year.
      > > 
      > > But the costs are increasing ? No, that's not right. Less 'customers', less
      > > 'costs'. A drop in membership results in a 50% increase in costs ? I charge
      > > that there must be some gross inefficiencies, bad management practicies and
      > > even potentially some nest-feathering going on.
      > > 
      > > I *know* I am out of touch, I do not have the time or money to attend ever
      > > broom-cupboard meeting held by RIPE. Is there an independent board that is
      > > charged with overseeing that money is not wasted in lean years ? As a
      > > not-for-profit company, this is the least I would expect. If there is, how
      > > on earth did they approve a 50% increase in fees (resulting in a 4% increase
      > > in expenditure ?)
      > > 
      > > > The RIPE NCC appreciates membership feedback and encourages
      > > > active participation by our members.
      > > 
      > > I thank you for the stock reply, but now how about some genuine discussion ?
      > > 
      > > For example, how do we seperate the entitities that are RIPE and RIPE-NCC ?
      > > 
      > > Peter
      > > 
      > 
      
      
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