Re: Whois - Apnics RIR whois bugs? Re: [apnic-talk] Is the NIC-HDL id su

  • To: John Tran <john at apnic dot net>
  • Subject: Re: Whois - Apnics RIR whois bugs? Re: [apnic-talk] Is the NIC-HDL id supposed to be unique
  • From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1 at ix dot netcom dot com>
  • Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 02:41:24 -0800
  • Cc: Meng Tsai <tsaim at mft dot com>, "apnic-talk at apnic dot net" <apnic-talk at apnic dot net>, gen full <ga-full at dnso dot org>
  • Organization: INEGroup Spokesman
  • References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211081808340.3841-100000@durian.apnic.net>
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    • John and all Apnic members,
      
        I can't speak for Meng here, but this explanation you provided although
      technically correct, still does not explain the duplicate Nic Handle
      problem that Meng describes...  It only explains how two separate
      databases in which a Whois query using APNIC's Whois v1.3
      might come up with duplicate Nic Handles.  This BTW, also should
      NEVER occur.  Hence however in Meng's case as he reported
      it, he is not looking at two separate Whois Databases when
      doing a query.  However that also should not matter if assignment
      of Nic Handles is done properly or if the databases are truly
      unique, which is seems they are not from your query code
      example.
      
      John Tran wrote:
      
      > Dear Meng,
      >
      > Thank you for your enquiry about your nic-handle.
      >
      > Searches of the APNIC Whois Database include results from the TWNIC Whois database too, which is
      > mirrored. As nic-handles are created independently in each of the databases it's possible records
      > will exist with apparently identical keys.
      >
      > However, nic-handles are unique in their respective databases. Your nic-handle is sourced from the
      > APNIC Whois Database while the other nic-handle is sourced from the TWNIC Whois Database.
      > Therefore, your nic-handle is unique in the APNIC database.
      >
      > No inter-database referencing of objects occurs. Consequently it would not be possible for someone
      > to use a nic-handle from the TWNIC database to update an object in the APNIC database.
      >
      > To avoid confusion, it's possible to restrict searches to a particular database by adding the
      > following command option to your Whois search:
      >
      >   -s <source>, eg. -s APNIC or -s TWNIC
      >
      > To illustrate the different database sources I've highlighted these and the nic-handles in the
      > search results below.
      >
      >   person:       Meng Tsai
      >   address:      Alley 286, No. 54, 3rd Floor,
      >   address:      Chein Kuo South Road
      >   phone:        +886-2-701-9128
      >   e-mail:       tsaim at mft dot com
      > **nic-hdl:      MT1-TW
      >   notify:       dbmon at apnic dot net
      >   mnt-by:       MAINT-NULL
      >   changed:      hostmaster at apnic dot net 19950912
      > **source:       APNIC
      >
      >   person:       Michael Tasi
      >   address:      Charming Information Co., Ltd.
      >   address:      18NO MIN.CHIH.TUNG.RD HSIN.YING.CATY
      >   address:      TAINAN County TAIWAN
      >   country:      TW
      >   phone:        +886-7-225-1215
      >   fax-no:
      >   e-mail:       askdog at mail dot tonet dot net
      > **nic-hdl:      MT1-TW
      >   remarks:      This information has been partially mirrored by APNIC from
      >   remarks:      TWNIC. To obtain more specific information, please use the
      >   remarks:      TWNIC whois server at whois.twnic.net.
      >   hanged:      hostmaster at twnic dot net 19990924
      > **source:       TWNIC
      >
      > I trust that this explains the apparent duplication of nic-handles. If you have any more questions
      > please contact the APNIC Member Services Helpdesk at:
      >
      >     Phone:    +61-7 3858-3188
      >     Fax:      +61-7-3858-3199
      >     Email:    helpdesk at apnic dot net
      >
      > Best wishes
      >
      > Son
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      >
      > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Meng Tsai wrote:
      >
      > > Hi Jeff and All
      > >
      > > Thanks for the notes.
      > > But more important, can you or others advise how to
      > > report this problem or correct the problem ?
      > >
      > > I got lost in the APNIC web site for searching such
      > > contact info.
      > >
      > > Thanks in adv,
      > >
      > > Meng Tsai
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1 at ix dot netcom dot com]
      > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:18 PM
      > > To: Meng Tsai
      > > Cc: apnic-talk at apnic dot net; General Assembly of the DNSO
      > > Subject: Whois - Apnics RIR whois bugs? Re: [apnic-talk] Is the NIC-HDL
      > > id supposed to be unique
      > >
      > >
      > > Meng and all,
      > >
      > >   Yes this needs to be corrected right away.  If not, such could be
      > > a prelude to identity theft.  That is a fairly serious problem.  Perhaps
      > > the new APNIC Whois has some bugs in it?
      > >
      > > Meng Tsai wrote:
      > >
      > > > Hi All,
      > > >
      > > > If not, how/who can I contact APNIC for the correction ?
      > > >
      > > > I found out that someone else is sharing the same handle
      > > > as I have in the whois db.
      > > >
      > > > Thanks
      > > >
      > > > Meng Tsai
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      > > Regards,
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