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To: Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley dot ibm dot com>
From: Joseph Friedman <josephf at touro dot edu>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers
Cc: iana at iana dot org, comments at iana dot org, DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET,
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At 01:32 PM 11/11/98 +0000, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>Joseph Friedman wrote:
>>
>...
>> 1) The name of the organization
>>
>> The name of the organization, currently the Internet Corporation for
Assigned
>> Names and Numbers (ICANN), should be renamed to the Internet Assigned
Number
>> Authority (IANA).
>
>This is impossible. IANA is a technical function executed for the IETF,
>currently by ISI, which the IETF (acting through the IAB) will
>re-delegate by the end of the year. The name is not available for ICANN
>as a corporation.
The IETF can't be possibly be re-delegating the technical functions
currently executed by IANA. The functions will be carried on by the new
organization (ICANN) after the transition.
And how is it then that Dr. Postel proposed the new organization be named
IANA if that name isn't available?
>...
>
>Regards
>
> Brian Carpenter
> Chair, Internet Architecture Board
>
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>From owner-apnic-talk at ns dot apnic dot net Wed Nov 11 15:00:57 1998
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley dot ibm dot com>
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To: Joseph Friedman <josephf at touro dot edu>
CC: iana at iana dot org, comments at iana dot org, DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET,
list at ifwp dot org, dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int, dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net,
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commerce at mail dot house dot gov, Charles.Pickering at mail dot house dot gov,
Richard.Russell at mail dot house dot gov, mark.harrington at mail dot house dot gov,
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Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers
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No. The IETF is nothing to do with the American government.
The IETF decides who it delegates its own parameter registration to;
right now it is delegated to ISI. Naturally, Jon hoped, as I personally
hope, that ICANN would be the natural home for this activity. But
we (the IETF) haven't yet reached a consensus on this.
Brian
Joseph Friedman wrote:
>
> At 01:32 PM 11/11/98 +0000, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> >
> >Joseph Friedman wrote:
> >>
> >...
> >> 1) The name of the organization
> >>
> >> The name of the organization, currently the Internet Corporation for
> Assigned
> >> Names and Numbers (ICANN), should be renamed to the Internet Assigned
> Number
> >> Authority (IANA).
> >
> >This is impossible. IANA is a technical function executed for the IETF,
> >currently by ISI, which the IETF (acting through the IAB) will
> >re-delegate by the end of the year. The name is not available for ICANN
> >as a corporation.
>
> The IETF can't be possibly be re-delegating the technical functions
> currently executed by IANA. The functions will be carried on by the new
> organization (ICANN) after the transition.
>
> And how is it then that Dr. Postel proposed the new organization be named
> IANA if that name isn't available?
>
> >...
> >
> >Regards
> >
> > Brian Carpenter
> > Chair, Internet Architecture Board
> >
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>From owner-apnic-talk at ns dot apnic dot net Wed Nov 11 15:18:26 1998
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From: "Marsh, Miles (Gene)" <MarshM@diebold.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley dot ibm dot com>
Cc: iana at iana dot org, comments at iana dot org, DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET,
list at ifwp dot org, dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int, dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net,
ietf at ietf dot org, Ira_C._Magaziner at oa dot eop dot gov, dnspolicy at ntia dot doc dot gov,
commerce at mail dot house dot gov, Charles.Pickering at mail dot house dot gov,
Richard.Russell at mail dot house dot gov, mark.harrington at mail dot house dot gov,
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Subject: RE: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names a
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Brian,
I believe it is time to re-address the issue of TLD's without the prejudice
of what was determined a while back. Much has changed, including the
capabilities of the root server systems. The impact of thousands of TLD's
now is probably a fraction of what it would have been in the past. Even if
it is determined that, for the forseeable future, an arbitrary limit of
hundreds of new TLDs is appropriate, the structure should be set NOW for
thousands, tens of thousands, even millions of TLDs.
It is understood that we are already into unknown territory, let's not be
afraid of pushing the envelope where appropriate.
Gene Marsh
Diebold Incorporated
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From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian at hursley dot ibm dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 8:33 AM
To: Joseph Friedman
Cc: iana at iana dot org; comments at iana dot org; DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET;
list at ifwp dot org; dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int; dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net;
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Richard.Russell at mail dot house dot gov; mark.harrington at mail dot house dot gov;
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Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers
I hate to respond to such a large addressee list but it is necessary
to comment on two of Mr Friedman's points:
Joseph Friedman wrote:
>
.
> 1) The name of the organization
>
> The name of the organization, currently the Internet Corporation for
Assigned
> Names and Numbers (ICANN), should be renamed to the Internet Assigned
Number
> Authority (IANA).
This is impossible. IANA is a technical function executed for the IETF,
currently by ISI, which the IETF (acting through the IAB) will
re-delegate by the end of the year. The name is not available for ICANN
as a corporation.
.
> 8) Adding gTLDs
>
> Add as many new gTLDs as possible.
The technical opinion that the IAB reached a long while back is that
adding hundreds of TLDs is technically safe, but that adding
thousands would take us into unknown territory in terms of
operational scale, and should be avoided in the foreseeable future.
Regards
Brian Carpenter
Chair, Internet Architecture Board
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>From owner-apnic-talk at ns dot apnic dot net Wed Nov 11 15:37:03 1998
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:18:47 -0500
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley dot ibm dot com>
From: Joseph Friedman <josephf at touro dot edu>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers
Cc: iana at iana dot org, comments at iana dot org, DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET,
dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int, dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net, ietf at ietf dot org,
Ira_C._Magaziner at oa dot eop dot gov, dnspolicy at ntia dot doc dot gov,
commerce at mail dot house dot gov, info-policy-notes at essential dot org,
APNIC-TALK@apnic.net, arin-council at arin dot net, naipr at arin dot net,
Gil.Gutknecht at mail dot house dot gov, John Wood <johnwood at link dot org>,
Barbara Dooley <bdooley at cix dot org>
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Brian,
Would it not be fair to say that the United States maintains legal control
over the functions carried out by IANA? IANA is a function funded by the
Department of Defense, a contract between DoD and USC/ISI. The U.S. is now
making the decisions regarding ICANNs taking over IANAs functions, not IETF.
Joseph
At 02:56 PM 11/11/98 +0000, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>No. The IETF is nothing to do with the American government.
>The IETF decides who it delegates its own parameter registration to;
>right now it is delegated to ISI. Naturally, Jon hoped, as I personally
>hope, that ICANN would be the natural home for this activity. But
>we (the IETF) haven't yet reached a consensus on this.
>
> Brian
>
>Joseph Friedman wrote:
>>
>> At 01:32 PM 11/11/98 +0000, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> >
>> >Joseph Friedman wrote:
>> >>
>> >...
>> >> 1) The name of the organization
>> >>
>> >> The name of the organization, currently the Internet Corporation for
>> Assigned
>> >> Names and Numbers (ICANN), should be renamed to the Internet Assigned
>> Number
>> >> Authority (IANA).
>> >
>> >This is impossible. IANA is a technical function executed for the IETF,
>> >currently by ISI, which the IETF (acting through the IAB) will
>> >re-delegate by the end of the year. The name is not available for ICANN
>> >as a corporation.
>>
>> The IETF can't be possibly be re-delegating the technical functions
>> currently executed by IANA. The functions will be carried on by the new
>> organization (ICANN) after the transition.
>>
>> And how is it then that Dr. Postel proposed the new organization be named
>> IANA if that name isn't available?
>>
>> >...
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> > Brian Carpenter
>> > Chair, Internet Architecture Board
>> >
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:47:37 +0000
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley dot ibm dot com>
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To: "Marsh, Miles (Gene)" <MarshM@diebold.com>
CC: iana at iana dot org, comments at iana dot org, DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET,
list at ifwp dot org, dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int, dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net,
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commerce at mail dot house dot gov, Charles.Pickering at mail dot house dot gov,
Richard.Russell at mail dot house dot gov, mark.harrington at mail dot house dot gov,
rep.e.b.johnson at mail dot house dot gov, sensen09 at mail dot house dot gov,
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arin-council at arin dot net, naipr at arin dot net, Gil.Gutknecht at mail dot house dot gov,
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Rep.Morella at mail dot house dot gov, Jim.Wilson at mail dot house dot gov,
talk2geb at mail dot house dot gov, John Wood <johnwood at link dot org>,
Barbara Dooley <bdooley at cix dot org>
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I'm not talking about TLD policy. I'm talking about technical
matters that haven't changed significantly for a number of years.
Brian
Marsh, Miles (Gene) wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I believe it is time to re-address the issue of TLD's without the prejudice
> of what was determined a while back. Much has changed, including the
> capabilities of the root server systems. The impact of thousands of TLD's
> now is probably a fraction of what it would have been in the past. Even if
> it is determined that, for the forseeable future, an arbitrary limit of
> hundreds of new TLDs is appropriate, the structure should be set NOW for
> thousands, tens of thousands, even millions of TLDs.
>
> It is understood that we are already into unknown territory, let's not be
> afraid of pushing the envelope where appropriate.
>
> Gene Marsh
> Diebold Incorporated
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian at hursley dot ibm dot com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 8:33 AM
> To: Joseph Friedman
> Cc: iana at iana dot org; comments at iana dot org; DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET;
> list at ifwp dot org; dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int; dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net;
> ietf at ietf dot org; Ira_C._Magaziner at oa dot eop dot gov; dnspolicy at ntia dot doc dot gov;
> commerce at mail dot house dot gov; Charles.Pickering at mail dot house dot gov;
> Richard.Russell at mail dot house dot gov; mark.harrington at mail dot house dot gov;
> rep.e.b.johnson at mail dot house dot gov; sensen09 at mail dot house dot gov;
> info-policy-notes at essential dot org; APNIC-TALK@apnic.net;
> arin-council at arin dot net; naipr at arin dot net; Gil.Gutknecht at mail dot house dot gov;
> jim.barcia-pub at mail dot house dot gov; Tom.Davis at mail dot house dot gov;
> Rep.Morella at mail dot house dot gov; Jim.Wilson at mail dot house dot gov;
> talk2geb at mail dot house dot gov; John Wood; Barbara Dooley
> Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
> and Numbers
>
> I hate to respond to such a large addressee list but it is necessary
> to comment on two of Mr Friedman's points:
>
> Joseph Friedman wrote:
> >
> ...
> > 1) The name of the organization
> >
> > The name of the organization, currently the Internet Corporation for
> Assigned
> > Names and Numbers (ICANN), should be renamed to the Internet Assigned
> Number
> > Authority (IANA).
>
> This is impossible. IANA is a technical function executed for the IETF,
> currently by ISI, which the IETF (acting through the IAB) will
> re-delegate by the end of the year. The name is not available for ICANN
> as a corporation.
>
> ...
> > 8) Adding gTLDs
> >
> > Add as many new gTLDs as possible.
>
> The technical opinion that the IAB reached a long while back is that
> adding hundreds of TLDs is technically safe, but that adding
> thousands would take us into unknown territory in terms of
> operational scale, and should be avoided in the foreseeable future.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian Carpenter
> Chair, Internet Architecture Board
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:48:28 +0000
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley dot ibm dot com>
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To: Joseph Friedman <josephf at touro dot edu>
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Barbara Dooley <bdooley at cix dot org>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers
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I don't think so.
Brian
Joseph Friedman wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Would it not be fair to say that the United States maintains legal control
> over the functions carried out by IANA? IANA is a function funded by the
> Department of Defense, a contract between DoD and USC/ISI. The U.S. is now
> making the decisions regarding ICANNs taking over IANAs functions, not IETF.
>
> Joseph
>
> At 02:56 PM 11/11/98 +0000, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> >No. The IETF is nothing to do with the American government.
> >The IETF decides who it delegates its own parameter registration to;
> >right now it is delegated to ISI. Naturally, Jon hoped, as I personally
> >hope, that ICANN would be the natural home for this activity. But
> >we (the IETF) haven't yet reached a consensus on this.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >Joseph Friedman wrote:
> >>
> >> At 01:32 PM 11/11/98 +0000, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Joseph Friedman wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >...
> >> >> 1) The name of the organization
> >> >>
> >> >> The name of the organization, currently the Internet Corporation for
> >> Assigned
> >> >> Names and Numbers (ICANN), should be renamed to the Internet Assigned
> >> Number
> >> >> Authority (IANA).
> >> >
> >> >This is impossible. IANA is a technical function executed for the IETF,
> >> >currently by ISI, which the IETF (acting through the IAB) will
> >> >re-delegate by the end of the year. The name is not available for ICANN
> >> >as a corporation.
> >>
> >> The IETF can't be possibly be re-delegating the technical functions
> >> currently executed by IANA. The functions will be carried on by the new
> >> organization (ICANN) after the transition.
> >>
> >> And how is it then that Dr. Postel proposed the new organization be named
> >> IANA if that name isn't available?
> >>
> >> >...
> >> >
> >> >Regards
> >> >
> >> > Brian Carpenter
> >> > Chair, Internet Architecture Board
> >> >
> >
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Here's my two cents on the name issue:
Why not honor Dr. Postel by choosing something like the following:
Postel Internet Assigned Numbers Organization (PIANO)
Postel Institute
etc.
Kelly D. Talcott
talcottk at pennie dot com
>>> "josephf at touro dot edu" 11/11 9:53 AM >>>
At 01:32 PM 11/11/98 +0000, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>Joseph Friedman wrote:
>>
>...
>> 1) The name of the organization
>>
>> The name of the organization, currently the Internet Corporation for
Assigned
>> Names and Numbers (ICANN), should be renamed to the Internet Assigned
Number
>> Authority (IANA).
>
>This is impossible. IANA is a technical function executed for the IETF,
>currently by ISI, which the IETF (acting through the IAB) will
>re-delegate by the end of the year. The name is not available for ICANN
>as a corporation.
The IETF can't be possibly be re-delegating the technical functions
currently executed by IANA. The functions will be carried on by the new
organization (ICANN) after the transition.
And how is it then that Dr. Postel proposed the new organization be named
IANA if that name isn't available?
>...
>
>Regards
>
> Brian Carpenter
> Chair, Internet Architecture Board
>
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To: "Marsh, Miles (Gene)" <MarshM@diebold.com>,
Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley dot ibm dot com>
From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= <paf at swip dot net>
Subject: RE: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names a
nd Numbers
Cc: iana at iana dot org, comments at iana dot org, DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET,
list at ifwp dot org, dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int, dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net,
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commerce at mail dot house dot gov, Charles.Pickering at mail dot house dot gov,
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At 10.26 -0500 98-11-11, Marsh, Miles (Gene) wrote:
>Even if
>it is determined that, for the forseeable future, an arbitrary limit of
>hundreds of new TLDs is appropriate, the structure should be set NOW for
>thousands, tens of thousands, even millions of TLDs.
I still see a number of arguments for keeping zones small:
- The larger the zones, the higher risk of getting operational problems.
This because if nothing else the number of changes in a large zone is
larger than the number of changes in a small zone. The fact that one change
a zone increase the risk of differences between the replicated DNS servers
for the zone.
- Even if we have a lot of TLDs, we will still have problems with
uniqueness of names, and the true fact that one TLD creates a monopoly --
regardless if we have 10, hundred or millions of TLDs. Each one will be a
monopoly.
- DNS is a hierarichal system. It is designed to be hierarichal. A flat
namespace in not what will work, because of uniqueness and other issues.
Increasing the number of TLDs don't solve the problem people normally see
with the few gTLDs we have.
Patrik
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Brian,
I disagree. Although the technical positions may not have changed for
years, the TECHNOLOGY certainly has changed. You are correct, though: this
is not a policy issue, but a politics issue.
Gene Marsh
Diebold Incorporated
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian at hursley dot ibm dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 10:48 AM
To: Marsh, Miles (Gene)
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Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
a nd Numbers
I'm not talking about TLD policy. I'm talking about technical
matters that haven't changed significantly for a number of years.
Brian
Marsh, Miles (Gene) wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I believe it is time to re-address the issue of TLD's without the
prejudice
> of what was determined a while back. Much has changed, including the
> capabilities of the root server systems. The impact of thousands of TLD's
> now is probably a fraction of what it would have been in the past. Even
if
> it is determined that, for the forseeable future, an arbitrary limit of
> hundreds of new TLDs is appropriate, the structure should be set NOW for
> thousands, tens of thousands, even millions of TLDs.
>
> It is understood that we are already into unknown territory, let's not be
> afraid of pushing the envelope where appropriate.
>
> Gene Marsh
> Diebold Incorporated
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian at hursley dot ibm dot com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 8:33 AM
> To: Joseph Friedman
> Cc: iana at iana dot org; comments at iana dot org; DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET;
> list at ifwp dot org; dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int; dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net;
> ietf at ietf dot org; Ira_C._Magaziner at oa dot eop dot gov; dnspolicy at ntia dot doc dot gov;
> commerce at mail dot house dot gov; Charles.Pickering at mail dot house dot gov;
> Richard.Russell at mail dot house dot gov; mark.harrington at mail dot house dot gov;
> rep.e.b.johnson at mail dot house dot gov; sensen09 at mail dot house dot gov;
> info-policy-notes at essential dot org; APNIC-TALK@apnic.net;
> arin-council at arin dot net; naipr at arin dot net; Gil.Gutknecht at mail dot house dot gov;
> jim.barcia-pub at mail dot house dot gov; Tom.Davis at mail dot house dot gov;
> Rep.Morella at mail dot house dot gov; Jim.Wilson at mail dot house dot gov;
> talk2geb at mail dot house dot gov; John Wood; Barbara Dooley
> Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
> and Numbers
>
> I hate to respond to such a large addressee list but it is necessary
> to comment on two of Mr Friedman's points:
>
> Joseph Friedman wrote:
> >
> ...
> > 1) The name of the organization
> >
> > The name of the organization, currently the Internet Corporation for
> Assigned
> > Names and Numbers (ICANN), should be renamed to the Internet Assigned
> Number
> > Authority (IANA).
>
> This is impossible. IANA is a technical function executed for the IETF,
> currently by ISI, which the IETF (acting through the IAB) will
> re-delegate by the end of the year. The name is not available for ICANN
> as a corporation.
>
> ...
> > 8) Adding gTLDs
> >
> > Add as many new gTLDs as possible.
>
> The technical opinion that the IAB reached a long while back is that
> adding hundreds of TLDs is technically safe, but that adding
> thousands would take us into unknown territory in terms of
> operational scale, and should be avoided in the foreseeable future.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian Carpenter
> Chair, Internet Architecture Board
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Patrik,
I agree with your premise, but I don't believe it conflicts with my
assertion. I am not advocating unmanaged growth of TLD's for growth =
sake.
I am suggesting the avoidance of artificial limits based on technology
determinations made long ago.
Gene Marsh
Diebold Incorporated
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m [mailto:paf at swip dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 11:11 AM
To: Marsh, Miles (Gene); Brian E Carpenter
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list at ifwp dot org; dnsproc-en at wipo2 dot wipo dot int; dns.forum at lists dot xs2 dot net;
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Subject: RE: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned =
Names
a nd Numbers
At 10.26 -0500 98-11-11, Marsh, Miles (Gene) wrote:
>Even if
>it is determined that, for the forseeable future, an arbitrary limit =
of
>hundreds of new TLDs is appropriate, the structure should be set NOW =
for
>thousands, tens of thousands, even millions of TLDs.
I still see a number of arguments for keeping zones small:
- The larger the zones, the higher risk of getting operational =
problems.=20
This because if nothing else the number of changes in a large zone is=20
larger than the number of changes in a small zone. The fact that one =
change=20
a zone increase the risk of differences between the replicated DNS =
servers=20
for the zone.
- Even if we have a lot of TLDs, we will still have problems with=20
uniqueness of names, and the true fact that one TLD creates a monopoly =
--=20
regardless if we have 10, hundred or millions of TLDs. Each one will be =
a=20
monopoly.
- DNS is a hierarichal system. It is designed to be hierarichal. A flat =
namespace in not what will work, because of uniqueness and other =
issues.
Increasing the number of TLDs don't solve the problem people normally =
see=20
with the few gTLDs we have.
Patrik
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Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:34:44 -0500
From: Steve Bellovin <smb at research dot att dot com>
In message <9811111519.AA12755 at tact dot touro dot edu>, Joseph Friedman writes:
> Brian,
>
> Would it not be fair to say that the United States maintains legal cont
> rol
> over the functions carried out by IANA? IANA is a function funded by the
> Department of Defense, a contract between DoD and USC/ISI. The U.S. is now
> making the decisions regarding ICANNs taking over IANAs functions, not IETF.
IANA took care of three sets of data -- domain names, IP addresses, and
protocol identifiers. The third was by delegation from the IETF, and
is *not* a concern of the U.S. government. It is this function that
is being delegated to ISI by the IETF, not the other two. If you go
back and read the White Paper, you'll see that parameter registration
is explicitly excluded.
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>> Add as many new gTLDs as possible.
>
>The technical opinion that the IAB reached a long while back is that
>adding hundreds of TLDs is technically safe, but that adding
>thousands would take us into unknown territory in terms of
>operational scale, and should be avoided in the foreseeable future.
The irony being that there are only a handful of companies that want
to be registries, representing, at most, 30 TLDs.
--
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Subject: Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation
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At 09:20 AM 11/11/98 -0800, Christopher Ambler wrote:
>>> Add as many new gTLDs as possible.
>>
>>The technical opinion that the IAB reached a long while back is that
>>adding hundreds of TLDs is technically safe, but that adding
>>thousands would take us into unknown territory in terms of
>>operational scale, and should be avoided in the foreseeable future.
>
>The irony being that there are only a handful of companies that want
>to be registries, representing, at most, 30 TLDs.
But there are MANY generic terms that many people want to use as a TLD.
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Subject: RE: [dnsproc-en] Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for
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> From: Joseph Friedman [josephf at touro dot edu]
>
> At 09:20 AM 11/11/98 -0800, Christopher Ambler wrote:
> >>> Add as many new gTLDs as possible.
> >>
> >>The technical opinion that the IAB reached a long while back is that
> >>adding hundreds of TLDs is technically safe, but that adding
> >>thousands would take us into unknown territory in terms of
> >>operational scale, and should be avoided in the foreseeable future.
> >
> >The irony being that there are only a handful of companies that want
> >to be registries, representing, at most, 30 TLDs.
>
> But there are MANY generic terms that many people want to use
> as a TLD.
The list of TLD applications to IANA was posted to the iahc-discuss list
by Jon Postel. There were about 150 TLD applications by about 35
companies (the proposal at the time was for each company to serve 3 TLDs
each).
Please show us the documentation for the "thousands" of "generic terms"
that have been submitted as TLD applications.
Simon Higgs
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Subject: Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
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>The list of TLD applications to IANA was posted to the iahc-discuss list
>by Jon Postel. There were about 150 TLD applications by about 35
>companies (the proposal at the time was for each company to serve 3 TLDs
>each).
To complete the thought, many of those requests were duplicates, and quite a
few were not requests at all, but messages in the form of, "IANA, I would
love to be able to register names in the .whatever TLD, would you create
it so I can do this?"
Of those that were requests for TLD allocations, a majority were from people
or companies who have since abandoned the request, or decided against
actually doing it.
I believe, if a poll were to be taken today of those involved in this
debate, you
would find no more than 15 companies who are interested at this time. Once
new TLDs are being added, I would wager that there would be no more than
50 companies interested in participating. The market will saturate quickly,
and only the serious competitors and those with value to add will remain.
Consolidation will occur quickly (my guess is within 18 months) and there
will be no more than 20 TLD registries left by the turn of the millenium
(which,
I regret that I have to point out, is the year 2001, not 2000).
When you consider that the root servers currently serve .com, which has over
a million entries, there is no question that they could handle 100,000
(one-hundred
thousand) TLDs, much less the 100 new ones I suspect we would have.
All of this information is easily verified, yet many continue to argue about
it. It's
not about technology, it's about politics. Sad commentary, in my opinion.
--
Christopher Ambler
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Subject: RE: [dnsproc-en] Re: Suggestions for the Internet Corporation
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At 02:49 PM 11/11/98 -0600, Higgs, Simon wrote:
>
>> From: Joseph Friedman [josephf at touro dot edu]
>>
>> At 09:20 AM 11/11/98 -0800, Christopher Ambler wrote:
>> >>> Add as many new gTLDs as possible.
>> >>
>> >>The technical opinion that the IAB reached a long while back is that
>> >>adding hundreds of TLDs is technically safe, but that adding
>> >>thousands would take us into unknown territory in terms of
>> >>operational scale, and should be avoided in the foreseeable future.
>> >
>> >The irony being that there are only a handful of companies that want
>> >to be registries, representing, at most, 30 TLDs.
>>
>> But there are MANY generic terms that many people want to use
>> as a TLD.
>
>The list of TLD applications to IANA was posted to the iahc-discuss list
>by Jon Postel. There were about 150 TLD applications by about 35
>companies (the proposal at the time was for each company to serve 3 TLDs
>each).
>
>Please show us the documentation for the "thousands" of "generic terms"
>that have been submitted as TLD applications.
My point was that registrants want to use Many different generic terms.
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