[apnic-talk] Re: Jon Postel Dead at 55
Karl and all,
Karl Denninger wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 01:16:15PM -0700, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, 'Doc' Don Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.mercurycenter.com/nation/center/postel101898.htm
> > >
> > > How will this impact the rnet naming organization? Do we have a power void?
> > > Does this make for a conspiracy theory?
> >
> > Questions that will remain unanswered for a bit. A lot of things have been
> > occuring in this arena as of late:
> >
> > 1) There are multiple proposals before the Department of Congress as to
> > the structure and leadership of the new organization. When I spoke
> > to Ira Magaziner, senior Internet policy advisor to Clinton last week
> > he stated that none of the proposals on the table had sufficient
> > backing to be given control "as is."
>
> Yep.
>
> > 2) Congressional members have launched an investigation into the issues
> > surrounding the development of the new organization.
>
> As well they should. The bylaws and lack of accountability to the public
> of the EXISTING organizations, and the fact that these same people were
> supposedly behind the new one, should be reason enough for a FULL
> congressional investigation.
Completely agreed Karl. We have been lobbying congress to do exactlythat. Yes,
we have submitted our own proposal for others to comment
on and review that provides for an Initial Individual Membership Organization
that is is equal for ALL of the stakeholders. This structure or something
very very similar to it is our belief the only why in which peace amongst
the Stakeholder community can be reached. I hope you and others take the time
to review it carefully. >;) To date, we have received a huge amount of
comments in support of our proposal thus far.
See: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/proposals/ineginc/ineginc.htm
for further details.
>
>
> > What I imagine is that it will soon become apparent that Dr. Postel has
> > not been behind the ICANN proposal for quite some time given his grave
> > illness, and we might find out who exactly has been.
>
> Actually, I don't care who is behind (or was behind) what.
Agreed again. We feel the same way.
>
>
> What I care about is the process, its results, and iron-clad guarantees that
> the board of these organizations is accountable to the USERS affected by
> their policy decisions.
Exactly right! And this is the only way in which we will have a healthy and
viableInternet for the future. To achieve this there must be an Initial Individual
Membership
Organization that approves andy and all decisions of significance by majority vote.
or proposal provides for this. No other to date does.
>
>
> And yes, that means a right of "impeachment" for the users - not the "ivory
> tower elite". Specifically, this means no more self-perpetuating boards, no
> single-source control points except where both (1) PROVEN necessary AND (2)
> under DIRECT government oversight, and the right of removal of any of the
> organiztions and persons by a simple no-confidence vote of the USERS in the
> area of the world over which that organization holds sway.
Exactly Karl! We agree completely.
>
>
> I note that neither the current/former IANA or any of the so-called address
> registries appear to meet that criteria today - nor have any announced their
> intent to do so.
>
> IMHO they all need to go into the recycle bin, and now that the person who
> people treated as "God" is facing St. Peter, perhaps an OBJECTIVE look
> by the Congress can be undertaken.
>
> I urge the Congress to do exactly that, and to require STRICT PROOF of any
> claims that such machinations as have existed are "necessary" or "proper",
> with the default finding to be that such organizations must go and/or lose
> their monopoly status.
>
> --
> --
> Karl Denninger (karl at denninger dot net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl
> I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give
> up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
>
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix dot netcom dot com
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