Re: FW: Off topic : Re: [apnic-talk] Please Moderate or close
jim and all,
Jim Fleming wrote:
> On Friday, May 22, 1998 3:41 AM, Marc Hurst[SMTP:mhurst at fastlane dot ca] wrote:
> @Jim,
> @
> @I think the point is regardless of whether or not Cisco has a position on
> @IPV8 someone has used their position to widely influence opinion across
> @the net. It would be no different if I were to dig up my .gc.ca handle
> @from ages ago to hammer home Canadian content views.
> @
> @Influence peddling is influence peddling regardless of the outcome. We
> @are Cisco customers and they have openly accepted a lot of Tim Gibsons
> @concepts as models they have pushed on their clients. Why would they
> @discourage inovation is beyond me.
> @
> @M.
> @
>
> Your points are noted...
I will second that...
>
>
> One of the things that people are NOT addressing in most of these
> forums is the clean-up work that will have to NOW start happening
> in the U.S. Government. The U.S. Government has an obligation to
> start enforcing its federal laws. People keep telling me that they can
> not do this because the Internet is "hot" and the public would not
> want to see high-ranking Internet leaders indicted, tried and possibly
> convicted. Instead, people keep saying that the Internet leaders get
> a free pass and get to violate any U.S. federal laws they please in
> the interest of expanding the net. This is all part of Internet-mania
> that has captivated the world but also caused the world and the
> U.S. Government to lower its guard and to forget about enforcing its
> own laws.
>
> As an example...Why have IRS laws about non-profit companies
> if people on the Internet can circumvent them and use those laws
> to create corporate structures that are worst than for-profit and which
> do not serve the community well ?
>
> Also, why have anti-trust laws when large companies can use the
> Internet to circumvent those laws and operate "off-shore" to do as
> they please ?
>
> By the way, this does not just apply in the United States. Look at
> the situation in Japan. They have a prominent Internet company like
> APNIC operating there with a couple of employees and a borrowed
> office. It is registered "off-shore" in the Seychelles and keeps most
> of its cash in Singapore. It claims to derive its authority from the IANA
> which anyone close to the situation knows is a U.S. Government contractor.
> Despite that, the leaders of APNIC discount that and claim to have
> nothing to do with the U.S. Government. Then, 2 out of 3 accounting
> firms in Japan advise APNIC that they should pay taxes to Japan
> and what does APNIC do...?...they decide to form a new APNIC
> company in Australia and move there...and the world is supposed to
> sit back and assume that the U.S. Government endorses this because
> certainly the authority for all this comes from the "IANA"...
It certianly appears this way I must sadly admit.
>
>
> As many people have said over and over again, if the Internet industry
> was any other industry, banking, insurance, stock brokerage, etc.
> there would be several people headed for U.S. federal penitentiaries
> at this point in time...law makers and law enforcement officials seem
> to be totally baffled by who is abiding by the law and who is not...I
> have a feeling this is because they did not grow up with the technology
> that has now been unleashed and they therefore can not understand
> how it is being used and how it can be applied to the existing legal
> systems...this coupled with the fact that every time people try to point
> out how existing laws cover the net and vice-versa, the Internet leaders
> start a campaign that this is not the case and the law enforcement
> people are once again baffled...some day this will not be the case...
Lets hope and work together for that someday. And that that someday comes
sooner rather than later.
>
>
> -
> Jim Fleming
> Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8
> IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race
> AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM
>
>
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix dot netcom dot com
* APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List *
* To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request at apnic dot net *