[apnic-talk] Internet sad day, was For the record...
Jim and all,
Jim Fleming wrote:
> The following is being posted to the open Domain Policy
> list supported by the U.S. Government and is being copied
> to key U.S. Government officials for the record.
>
> The following illustrates...
>
> 1. Mr. Barry Raveendran Greene an employee of CISCO systems
> requested that the censorship action be taken.
>
> 2. Mr. David Conrad who has supposedly resigned from APNIC
> facilitated the action.
>
> 3. This is the first time in the history of APNIC this has happened.
>
> 4. It appears that all mailing lists are included especially the
> new IPv6 Registry mailing list.
>
> 5. No actual comments, discussion, etc. have been recorded from any
> of the so-called Executive Council who are not named in a
> visible manner on the APNIC web site.
This is indeed a sad and unjustified action. It is a sad thing that anyone
that truly
supports the Internet, and what it has and still does in most places, stand
for....
Is this the beginning of the end of civil and responsible action at APNIC? You
be
the judge. Read the APNIC archives, learn the truth for yourself... We at
INEG. INC. and all of our affiliates are truly both concerned, hartened and
extremely saddened at this truely undemocratic action. May freedom Ring!
>
>
> Jim Fleming
>
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> Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Please Moderate or close this list ....
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> Barry,
>
> As you have seen, the APNIC Executive Council has decided to attempt to
> alleviate the situation by simply removing the primary cause instead of
> closing and/or moderating the list.
Yes and a terrible an unwise action it is. :(
>
>
> While the apnic-talk list is intended to be an open discussion list where
> people are free to participate as much or as little as they feel
> appropriate, with that freedom comes a responsibility to not be disruptive
> and/or discourage discussion by others.
Yet after reviewing the archives, there was not so much as one post that
Jim Flemming posted that could have been construed as disruptive or served
to discourage any discussion by any other than those the fear honesty and
truth. Ad sad day for the internet this truly is....
>
>
> As it was felt Jim Fleming had not lived up to that responsibility, the
> chair of the APNIC Executive Council has indicated for the first time in
> the history of APNIC that the rather extreme action of removal from APNIC
> mailing lists was appropriate.
Was a vote of the membership taken to determine this action? Was a in depth
review done?
>
>
> Regards,
> -drc
> ----------------
> At 10:02 PM 5/18/98 +0800, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote:
> >To the APNIC Executive Consul,
> >
> >Please moderate and/or close this list to APNIC members only.
> >
> >I'm willing to lose personal access to the APNIC-Talk in return for the
> >APNIC members to have a forum were they can discuss things.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Barry
> >
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> Jim Fleming
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>
regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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