phnic confederation
@ map at iphil dot net writes:
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@ (minutes of APNIC confederation meeting:)
@
@ >Topics Discussed:
@
@ >1. Purpose of the confederation
@
@ >* To locally handle Internet resources originally handled by the
@ > Asia-Pacific Network Information Center (APNIC), such as
@ > IP addresses and AS numbers.
@
@ >2. Who can join the confederation?
@
@ >* ISPs and other companies that act as ISPs to internal customers, such
@ > as universities providing access to their campuses and colleges; and
@ > companies providing access to other related companies and groups.
@ >* At the time of joining, the ISP must have two separate connections to
@ > two upstream ISPs. There is no distinction between local and foreign
@ > upstream ISPs. The confederation will not grant membership and
@ > resources to "speculative" connections or
@ > those who plan to connect to other ISPs in the future. They will have
@ > to renumber into confederation space once they get their second
connection
@ > and are granted membership.
@ >* If the member drops one of its upstream connections, membership and
@ > resources will NOT be revoked.
@
@ >3. What is the name of the confederation?
@
@ >* The confederation will be known as PHNIC, since it will eventually
@ > become the full PHNIC that will handle all Internet resources.
@
@ =====
@ Joel Disini writes:
@
@ Hello. I would just like to point out that this is contrary to APNIC
policies. There is no reason, according to APNIC, why another bunch of ISPs
cannot get together and form a separate confederation at a later time (and
pay the same $2000/confederation-member fee to APNIC).
@
@ Kindly reconsider this policy; it gives the impression that it is this
confederation's stated policy to block the formation of future APNIC
confederations.
@
@ Joel Disini
@ Ph Domain Administrator
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miguel a.l. paraz <map at iphil dot net> writes:
It's not like that - the confederation cannot run against the APNIC
policy. Anyone in the Philippines can form their own confederation
or go straight to the APNIC. The APNIC will just point out that
there is an existing confederation just in case the applicant wasn't
aware of it.
As for the PHNIC eventually managing all Philippine Internet resources,
the IP part of it will be by choice, and not by force of monopoly.
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Hmmm. So do you think APNIC will REJECT all other potential confederations
because one already exists in the Philippines, mainly the Iphil-led PHNIC?
Frankly, I don't see how APNIC could possibly turn down any other Confederations from the
Philippines given that the PHNIC membership rules, requiring member ISPs to CURRENTLY
have 2 upstream providers, effectively cuts off about 95% of the local ISP population. Only a few big players will qualify to join your club.
What is clear to me, is that if you succeed in your endeavor to be the sole APNIC Confederation, then the rest of us small ISPs will practically be UNABLE to get provider-independent IP blocks. As you know, IP renumbering is a VERY DIFFICULT process, especially for ISPs who haven't planned in
advance. For starters, most of us will have to tell our *ENTIRE* client base to change their TCP/IP stacks to point to different domain name servers. In a lot of cases this will mean extensive calls to all our clients, or extensive client visits, just to get them to use a renumbered DNS, or to let
them use DHCP. Then there are the internal problems, having to renumber our internal machines, modify our authentication servers, and routing tables. Then we have to modify all our technical documentation, as well as our installation diskettes.
The end result is that it will become very, very hard for small ISPs to switch upstream providers. If a small ISP wanted to have the ability to choose upstream providers at will - w/o having to fork over some US$5000 annually to APNIC - they'd first have to get a secondary upstream link. Then
they'd have to wait 2-3 months for the leased line. Then they'd have to apply for membership with PHNIC. Then, if membership is granted, they'd have to apply for IP space. Then we renumber, reconfigure our entire client base, modify our network, train our tech support staff, modify our diskettes,
and modify our technical documentation. Then and only then is the small ISP able to switch upstream providers "at will".
As you can see, it becomes very difficult for the small ISP to switch upstream providers. Horribly difficult. And tedious. And Expensive. But then - that is what you wanted to achieve anyway, isn't it? :-)
Joel Disini
A small ISP operator
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