Dear Alex

Thank you for your clarification ! I understand this policy and personally support it.

Satoru

2018-01-31 19:09 GMT+09:00 yangpf6@126.com yangpf6@126.com:

Dear Satoru

   Thank you for your understanding , and for the second problem :  Not

only the "One-time" thing ,but a long term right !!!

   My suggestion is :

  M&A is ineluctable , and NO one know when it will happen from what

entities , and even one company may have more than one M&A

  So my proposal is for the IPv4 Blocks allocated before prop-116 , and

for the M&A situation, should have the equal right with others (Not only one-time)

  Other IPv4 blocks  allocated after prop-116 or other situation should

strictly obey the policy . Sorry maybe there were some mistakes for my explaination last time.

Alex Yang

From: Satoru Tsurumaki Date: 2018-01-31 09:49 To: yangpf6@126.com; sig-policy Subject: Re: [sig-policy] sig-policy Digest, Vol 164, Issue 10 Dear Alex

Thank you for your response.

...

In my opinion, any entity got the ipv4 blocks in 103/8 before 14 Sep 2017 should have the same right to use or transfer its blocks like others.

I also think that their rights should be respected. But,

...

Not only the "One-time" thing ,but a long term right , thank you very much !!!

The recipient entities who are transferred 103/8 after 14 Sep 2017 know prop-116. I believe they have no right to transfer a 103/8 because they understand 5 years limitation and transferred it. So, I think the number of transfer of 103/8 before 14 Sep 2017 should be limited to one.

Would you please give us your opinion ?

BTW, About 60%+ 103/8 has already allocated. Therefore, the consensus of prop-123 means a substantial abolition of prop-116. We need re-think why prop-116 was consensus.

Thanks,

Satoru Tsurumaki

2018-01-29 20:09 GMT+09:00 yangpf6@126.com yangpf6@126.com:

...

Dear Satoru

    Thank you for your question, and i mean it is really a good

question!

    In my opinion, any entity got the ipv4 blocks in 103/8 before 14

Sep 2017 should have the same right to use or transfer its blocks like others.

    Not only the "One-time" thing ,but a long term right , thank you

very much !!!

Alex Yang

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy (Satoru Tsurumaki)
2. Re: prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy (Ajai Kumar)

Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:03:38 +0900 From: Satoru Tsurumaki satoru.tsurumaki@g.softbank.co.jp To: SIG policy sig-policy@apnic.net Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy Message-ID: CAHXx+kQbpTnRduVLdTZKnyDhno0aqxHq4SbYxUqP8TMkq-VGzw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dear Proposer

I would like to clarify.

My understanding is: Prop-116 will be subject to the 103/8 IPv4 address which allocated before 14 Sep 2017 and be transferred after this proposal will consensus. It's mean that these address will be allowed to transfer "ONE-TIME".

Is it correct ?

Regards,

Satoru Tsurumaki JPOPF Steering Team (former JPNIC Policy Working Group)

2018-01-26 12:27 GMT+09:00 Bertrand Cherrier b.cherrier@micrologic.nc:

...

Dear SIG members,

The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.

It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018.

We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the meeting.

The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to express your views on the proposal:

• Do you support or oppose this proposal?
• Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, tell the community about your situation.
• Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
• Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
• What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?

Information about this proposal is available at:

http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-123

Regards

Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng APNIC Policy SIG Chairs

https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/prop-123-v001.txt

prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

Proposer: Alex Yang yangpf6@126.com

1. Problem statement

Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep 2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from 103/8 block if the delegation date is less than 5 years.

However, some of the 103/8 ranges were delegated before 14 Sep 2017. Those resources should not be subjected to 5 years restriction. The community was not aware of the restriction when they received those resources, some of the resources have been transferred or planning to transfer. If APNIC is not allow those transfers to be registered, there will be underground transfers. This will cause incorrect APNIC Whois data.

1. Objective of policy change

To keep the APNIC Whois data correct.

1. Situation in other regions

No such situation in other regions.

1. Proposed policy solution

?Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under final /8 address block (103/8) which have not passed five years after its allocation/assignment? should only apply to those ranges were delegated from APNIC since 14 Sep 2017.

1. Advantages / Disadvantages

Advantages:

• Allow APNIC to register those 103/8 transfers to keep the APNIC Whois data correct.

Disadvantages:

None.

1. Impact on resource holders

Resource holders are allowed to transfer 103/8 ranges if the resources were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.

1. References

•          sig-policy:  APNIC SIG on resource management policy
  

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