I agree with Owen's idea :)


From: Mike Jager <mike@mikej.net.nz>
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
Cc: "sig-policy@lists.apnic.net" <sig-policy@lists.apnic.net>
Sent: Friday, 22 May 2015, 9:15
Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Idea for 1.2.3.0/24

+1

On 22 May 2015, at 10:48, Owen DeLong wrote:

> We’re talking about a single /24.
>
> Use it for whatever research value it has and then put it out to
> pasture along with the rest of this antiquated addressing.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Owen
>
>> On May 21, 2015, at 12:45 , David Huberman
>> <David.Huberman@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dean, <>
>>
>> Thank you for your excellent reply.
>>
>> I am all for working together to identify a way to get 1.2.3.0/24
>> into the hands of a network operator who can do good things with it. 
>> The prefix is trapped in APNIC right now with nowhere to go, and
>> it’s time to set it free.
>>
>> More ideas everyone!  We can have a great discussion about it, here
>> and in Jakarta.
>>
>> /david
>>
>>
>>
>> From: sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net
>> [mailto:sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of Dean
>> Pemberton
>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:41 PM
>> To: sig-policy@lists.apnic.net
>> Subject: [sig-policy] Fwd: Idea for 1.2.3.0/24
>>
>> Oops wrong button :)
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Dean Pemberton <dean@internetnz.net.nz
>> <mailto:dean@internetnz.net.nz>>
>> Date: Friday, 22 May 2015
>> Subject: [sig-policy] Idea for 1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
>> To: David Huberman <David.Huberman@microsoft.com
>> <mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com>>
>>
>>
>> Hi David, Everyone
>>
>> If APNIC were to just sell this off then there is no saying that it
>> won't just appear in some large providers NAT pool.
>>
>> I've just visited some providers who wanted address space so much
>> they would probably bid for this just to have 1.2.3.4 as a flag to
>> wave and the rest of the /24 just sits in their CGN. That would be
>> terrible for anyone whose sessions were associated with these
>> addresses.
>>
>> I won't elaborate here but there are even potential security issues
>> related with a malicious actor being able to redirect this about of
>> traffic.
>>
>> Any of these would be a net loss to the Internet community.
>>
>> So how can we turn this into a net win?
>>
>> I'm not that concerned about the money. Good things can be done with
>> auction proceeds, but good ideas can come from people without money
>> too.
>>
>> For example what if an individual has a great idea to use 1.2.3.4 for
>> the common good but would never have an ability to win an auction? 
>> They might also have no ability to purchase infrastructure to make
>> the idea happen.
>>
>> Nat Morris for eg runs a great any cast DNS service helping lots of
>> people but I'm pretty sure his wife and dog would notice him going up
>> against large corps in an auction.
>>
>> What about this.
>>
>> We take suggestions for the best 'public good' use of 1.2.3.4.
>> For each of the ideas, let the community show support "a thumbs
>> up/down" if you will. Also for each of them allow organisations to
>> pitch to deliver it.
>>
>> Market it as recycling trash even :)
>>
>> This way the good idea can come from anyone in any part of the world
>> as long as it benefits all internet users. And large corporations can
>> still get some exposure by offering to make it happen.
>>
>> Imagine the photoshoot. Smart up-and-coming engineer from an LDC
>> alongside a large multinational helping APNIC to make a difference to
>> us all.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 22 May 2015, David Huberman <David.Huberman@microsoft.com
>> <>> wrote:
>> Hello Policy SIG,
>>
>> I have an idea for 1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> I would like to
>> share with you before submitting a policy proposal.
>>
>> Prop-109 properly directed APNIC to use 1.0.0.0/24
>> <http://1.0.0.0/24> and 1.1.1.0/24 <http://1.1.1.0/24> for research
>> purposes.  That leaves one more significant prefix to deal
>> with:1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>.  It is significant because it
>> contains the IP address 1.2.3.4.
>>
>> 1.2.3.4 is a desirable IP address.  It can be used in all sorts of
>> very interesting applications.  It also receives an enormous amount
>> of “junk” traffic every day, so it requires a fairly hefty
>> infrastructure just to start routing it.
>>
>> My idea is that APNIC should make this prefix available to all
>> parties who want it. To decide who gets it, I propose an AUCTION
>> where all proceeds go to a charitable endeavor (perhaps a future
>> APNIC Foundation).  As the potential author of such a proposal, and
>> as the IP address manager at Microsoft Corporation, I will guarantee
>> that neither I nor my company will participate in any way in such an
>> auction.  This proposal is not to benefit me or my company.  It is to
>> give the prefix out to a network operator who wants it, in return for
>> money given to charity.
>>
>> This is a new idea, and is not fully thought out.  So I wanted to
>> post it, get some reactions, and improve the idea.  (Or abandon it if
>> people do not like it.)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> David
>>
>> David R Huberman
>> Principal, Global IP Addressing
>> Microsoft Corporation
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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