sig-policy June 2009

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Address Transfer Policy Proposal
by Geoff Huston 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Hi, Given the return of the address transfer policy proposal to the SIG it seems that the SIG has some work to do now to gather the elements of consensus behind a policy proposal in this space. There are a number of proposals right now, including proposal-50 from Geoff Huston, and two proposals from Philip Smith to address some of the elements that appeared to be missing from the most recent iteration of Proposal 50. What we'd like to do now is to bring these disparate proposals back together before the SIG meeting in Beijing as a single proposal, and to that end we (Philip and Geoff) have agreed that we will work together and with the SIG mailing list to come up with a single proposal as a further revision to prop-50. As well as letting the SIG members know of this development we'd like to use this note to also request from SIG members any further feedback regarding the issues with the address transfer policy proposal that should be addressed in the revised policy. Our current list includes: - transfer proposal applies to all address holdings as held by current members of APNIC - NIRs have the choice as to when to adopt this policy for their members (i.e. members of NIRs) - when a member disposes of address space using this transfer policy the member should not be entitled to any further IPv4 allocations or assigments from APNIC for an extended period (two years?) - prior to the exhaustion of APNIC's IPv4 space (i.e. prior to the use of the "final /8" allocation measures) recipients of transfers will be required to justify their need for address space. After this time there is no requirement for any form of evaluation of requirements for eligibility. If you have any other issues that you feel would assist this policy gaining a suitable degree of general consensus in this community, please let us know, either directly to us, or via this mailing list. Thanks, Philip and Geoff

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30 Jun '09

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Re: [sig-policy] Address Transfer Policy Proposal
by Geoff Huston 05 Jun '09

05 Jun '09

Hi, In response to the call for comments and suggestions that Philip Smith and I made earlier this week, we've received the following suggestion from Seiichi Kawamura and two colleagues from the Japanese community. In the interests of ensuring that the community's discussion of this proposal occurs in the open I am forwarding their suggestion to the list, their kind permission. This note suggests to replace the constraint that "when a member disposes of address space using this transfer policy the member should not be entitled to any further IPv4 allocations or assigments from APNIC for an extended period (two years?)" with constraint 4.1 described below, to be effective until APNIC reaches "final /8 policy". I have some concern myself in thinking about this suggested replacement that that the mode of behaviour of the form: 1. apply for IPv4 space, 2. dispose of it by transfer, 3. apply for Ipv4 space again, ,... would not be prevented by the proposed replacement. Do others share my concern, or am I missing something in Seiichi-san's suggestion? In any case Philip and I would appreciate any comments from others on the proposal to incorporate this suggestion from Seiichi-san into the revised prop-50 address transfer policy proposal, or any further comments about what should or should not be included in the revised address transfer policy proposal. thanks, Geoff Disclaimer: before I forget again, I should note that Geoff is writing this as an individual and not representing APNIC in any capacity. Begin forwarded message: > From: Seiichi Kawamura <kawamucho(a)mesh.ad.jp> > Date: 1 June 2009 8:49:27 PM > To: Geoff Huston <gih(a)apnic.net>, pfs(a)cisco.com, myamanis(a)bb.softbank.co.jp > , n-hirai(a)bb.softbank.co.jp > Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Address Transfer Policy Proposal > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Geoff, Philip > > A couple of people from Japan including > myself, were getting together to post a proposal > on safeguards for address transfers... before prop-050 > got sent back from the EC. > > 4.1 Any address that will be transfered must be held by the > transfering > party for at least 12 months, regardless of how the address was > obtained. > > 4.2 Until the time when the use of "final /8 policy" is > put to action, the recipient of a transfer is to justify use > of the transferred address. After the "final /8 policy" > is put to action, no justification is needed. > > 4.3 While the above two rules are met, receiving new allocations > will not be a privelege that is taken away. > > 4.1 is something that I though will make us all feel > comfortable than a x-year 'allocation forbidding' period. > > IMHO, the AP region is very much conservative compared to > ARIN or RIPE and a privelege taken away may restrict > unused address holders from releasing their addresses. > > Can these propositions be incorporated with prop-050? > > Best Regards, > Seiichi Kawamura >

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call for policy proposals forAPNIC 28
by Randy Bush 03 Jun '09

03 Jun '09

Is there something in APNIC's policies that you think really could be improved? Have you tried to request resources from APNIC but didn't meet the current criteria? If so, why not propose a new policy or a change to an existing APNIC policy? Submit your policy proposal now for discussion at APNIC 28. Submission deadline: 23 July 2009 To submit a policy proposal, you have two options: 1. Use the online form at: http://www.apnic.net/submit-a-policy-proposal 2. Send your proposal in TEXT format to: <policy(a)apnic.net> If you need help, please feel free to contact sig-policy-chair(a)apnic.net We encourage you to submit proposals well before the deadline. This gives the community more time to consider and discuss your proposal and gives you the opportunity to amend your proposal, if needed, based on the discussion. More information ---------------- APNIC's policy development process is explained at: http://www.apnic.net/policy-development-process View current and past policy proposals at: http://www.apnic.net/policy-proposals Learn more about APNIC 28 at: http://meetings.apnic.net/28 We look forward to seeing you in Beijing!

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APNIC EC returns prop-050: IPv4 address transfers to Policy SIG
by Sam Dickinson 01 Jun '09

01 Jun '09

----------------------------------------------------------------------- APNIC EC returns "IPv4 address transfers" to Policy SIG ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear colleagues The APNIC EC (Executive Council), at its meeting on 21 May 2009, returned prop-050, "IPv4 address transfers", to the Policy SIG for further discussion. Minutes from this meeting will be available after they have been adopted at the June 2009 EC meeting. Below is the official notification from the EC: This is a response to the Policy Development Manager from the APNIC Executive Council. The APNIC Policy SIG Chair formally requested the APNIC EC to endorse Proposal-50 on the 20th May. According to the APNIC Policy Development Process: "The EC, in their capacity as representatives of the membership, will be asked to endorse the consensus proposals arising from the OPM and the SIG mailing lists for implementation at the next EC meeting. In reviewing the proposals for implementation, the EC may refer proposals back to the SIG for further discussion with clearly stated reasons." In its meeting of the 21st May the APNIC Executive Council has decided to refer Proposal-50 back to the Policy SIG. The reason for this referral is that the EC is not of the opinion that the proposal has gathered a clear consensus in favour of the policy, and the EC notes that the proposal, taken in isolation, has engendered significant concerns within the community relating to the adequacy of safeguards against potential abuse as a consequence of implementation this policy. regards, Geoff Huston Executive Secretary to the APNIC EC for the APNIC EC For a detailed history of the proposal, see: <http://www.apnic.net/services/services-apnic-provides/policy/policy-proposa…> Regards -- _____________________________________________________________________ Samantha Dickinson email: sam(a)apnic.net Policy Development Manager, APNIC sip: sam(a)voip.apnic.net http://www.apnic.net phone: +61 7 3858 3100

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Next phase of four-byte AS number policy begins 1 July 2009
by Sam Dickinson 01 Jun '09

01 Jun '09

Dear colleagues From 1 July 2009, APNIC will assign four-byte AS numbers by default when receiving requests for AS numbers. Two-byte AS numbers will only be assigned if the applicant can demonstrate that a four-byte only AS number is unsuitable. This change marks the next phase of the transition to four-byte AS numbers. The final phase of the transition begins 1 January 2010, when APNIC will cease to make any distinction between two-byte only AS numbers and four-byte only AS numbers, and will operate AS number assignments from an undifferentiated four-byte AS number pool. For more information on the implementation phases of the four-byte AS number policy, please see section 6.3 of: Policies for Autonomous System number management in the Asia Pacific region http://www.apnic.net/asn-policy Information on four-byte AS numbers ----------------------------------- To learn more about how the transition to four-byte AS numbers may affect your network, see: http://icons.apnic.net/asn Regards -- _____________________________________________________________________ Samantha Dickinson email: sam(a)apnic.net Policy Development Manager, APNIC sip: sam(a)voip.apnic.net http://www.apnic.net phone: +61 7 3858 3100

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