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Tim,
My name is Yi Lee and I'm the chair of this working gorup. I finally can participate the discussion after fixing the mailing list problem. I try to catch up with the discussion here by digging into the mailing list rchive, please bear with me if I miss any thing already discussed.
I don't think it's appropriate that the form (containing the information about headend, homepass, capacity, etc) should go into the guide line.
Because
1. the guide line should by policy-oriented but not "operation-oriented".
2. leaving the items of the form to APNIC can reach maximum flexibility because I believe it should be more efficient if it's up to APNIC to decide what kind of information needed to justify the address allocation needs. On the other hand, if the form is put into the guide line, once you want to modify any of the items in the form in the future, you have to follow the guide line revision process, i.e. setting up the working group and mailing list, submitting revision proposal to policy sig and voting. The whole porcess can be very time-consumed.
Regards,
Yi Lee
Tim Jones 提到:
> Dear Mars Chih-hu Wei,
>
> Hostmasters have reviewed your email and have some comments.
>
> To make the guidelines more suitable for both DSL and cable, any
> references to "head-end" can be replaced with "location", and "homes-passed" can be removed, as it does not really apply to DSL.
>
> We suggested that the growth rates include 6 month projection also, as
> this is asked for on the application form (now, 6 month and 12 month).
>
> Maybe you could draft the proposal taking into account all the
> feedback and we can all review it again so it is clear?
>
> We agree that you could post to the SIG mailing list in the name of
> the working group.
>
> Regards,
> Tim.
>
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> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, [utf-8] Mars Wei a?±a1?e?¯ wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Tim and All in this working group,
>>
>>After talked with TWNIC and TWNIC OPM staffs, we collected some topics as follow.
>>
>>1. This proposal is focused on adding consideration for DSL service and IP-based utilization. Some modification not related to this topic closely could be better to be issued in other parts.
>>
>>2. In the original statement of the guideline in 10.2 section, it shows "the projected number of subscribers within 3 months" in item 2 and "projected number of subscribers within 12 months (if the projection is significantly higher than that predicted by the growth rate, then an additional explanation will be required)" in item 4. We think these two items are both talking about the growth rate in the future but in different conditions so It seems to be better to maintain the same period range as same as the original with "3 months" and "12 months". We are confused with your suggestion about "12 months" in item 2. Would you please clarify the reason for the suggestion? Or we will correct the item 2 to "3 months" as the original because this is not the key point of this proposal.
>>
>>3. In the new part of the additional information you mentioned to go in the guideline, the field "Home Passed" is the specific term about cable service. Should this field be empty when applying IP allocation for DSL service?
>>
>>4. In another way, we found that there is no such kind of example about the additional information in other guidelines of APNIC. We suggest not to put this part in the guideline sine the guideline should be the fundamental principle. The detailed rules could go in other related documents.
>>
>>We are looking forward to any response. Please kindly input your comments to the mailing list. Due to the deadline of CFP for APNIC 19 will be soon on Jan 19, we should put the modification proposal into the Address Policy SIG mailing list before the deadline. Should we post it in the name of this working group?
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Mars Chih-hua Wei
>>Engineer/Operations Support Systems Group/IT & Multimedia Center
>>Division
>>+886-2-7700-9420 / +886-955-62-9420
>>New Century InfoComm Tech Co., Ltd.
>>PGP key: http://www.chihhua.idv.tw/pgp/pgp.htm
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Tim Jones [mailto:tim@apnic.net]
>>>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:02 AM
>>>To: Mars Wei a?±a1?e?¯
>>>Cc: wg-ipv4-guide@apnic.net
>>>Subject: Re: [Wg-ipv4-guide] Proposed Modification for APNIC
>>>Guidelines for IPv4 Allocation and Assignment Requests
>>>
>>>Hi Mars Chih-hua Wei,
>>>
>>>Thanks for putting this suggestion to the mailing list.
>>>
>>>APNIC hostmasters have discussed your email and we have a couple of
>>>queries, which are included below.
>>>
>>>On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, [big5] Mars Wei A|MA?A§AμA? wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to propose to modify the APNIC guidelines
>>>
>>>for IPv4 allocation and assignment requests as follow. Please kindly
>>>input any comment. Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>10.2 Criteria for subsequent allocations to cable or
>>>
>>>DSL services
>>>
>>>> Organisations seeking subsequent allocations to cable and DSL
>>>> services must provide the following information:
>>>>
>>>> * headend information specifying the number of CMTS devices
>>>> planned per headend;
>>>
>>>As this is a criteria for both cable and DSL, maybe the wording could
>>>be more general (as CMTS is for cable only).
>>>
>>>
>>>> * the projected number of subscribers within 6 months;
>>>
>>>For consistency with other forms, maybe this bullet point could be:
>>>"the projected number of subscribers within 6 months and 12 months."
>>>
>>>
>>>> * growth rate based on average growth per month over past
>>>> three months (as an option, the ISP can supply a MRTG to
>>>> support growth rate evaluation);
>>>> * growth rate based on average IP utilization per month
>>>> over past three months (as an option, the ISP can supply
>>>> a RADIUS/DHCP server log(for example) to support growth
>>>> rate evaluation);
>>>
>>>Could the above two bullet points be simplified and combined into a
>>>single point? Maybe:
>>>
>>>"Subscriber growth rate and IP utilisation growth rate per month for
>>>the previous three months. To demonstrate this LIRs may optionally
>>>supply an MRTG and/or RADIUS/DHCP server logs."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * projected number of subscribers, DSL/Cable circuits
>>>> subscribed or IP addresses consumed by subscribers at peak
>>>> time within 12 months (if the projection is significantly
>>>> higher than that predicted by the growth rate or IP
>>>> utilization, then an additional explanation will be
>>>> required); and
>>>
>>>Could you please clarify in this point whether you are asking for the
>>>projected number of DSL/Cable circuits and IP address consumption in
>>>the next 12 months, or the existing number of circuits and IP
>>>consumtion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * Purchase receipts for equipment (if requested by APNIC or
>>>> the NIR).
>>>
>>>The following information is commonly asked for by APNIC, so maybe it
>>>could go in the guidelines with an example.
>>>Obviously it would need some modification for use with DSL also.
>>>
>>>"With regard to the address space you are seeking for your cable
>>>service, please supply the information using the format provided.
>>>
>>><example>
>>>
>>>Headend | Homes | Device |Capacity |Current |IP | Device |G-rate/
>>> passed users added month
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>>---------
>>>Brisbane 15000 Motorola 1000 750 800 1 1254
>>>
>>>Where:
>>>
>>>Device - vendor, make/model and the quantity of CMTS currently
>>>installed.
>>>
>>>Capacity - capacity of cable modem router per CMTS. (Also provide
>>>number of users per cable modem router.)
>>>
>>>IP - total number of IP addresses assigned to each CMTS.
>>>
>>>Device added - additional cable modem router that will be deployed in
>>>6 months time.
>>>
>>>G-rate/month - number of customers growth/month which have joined
>>>your service since your last allocation."
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Tim Jones
>>>APNIC Hostmaster
>>>
>>>--
>>>____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>Tim Jones Internet Resource Analyst <tim@apnic.net>
>>>Asia Pacific Network Information Centre phone: +61 7 3858 3100
>>>http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199
>>>Helpdesk phone: +61 7 3858 3188
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>>>
>>> Please send Internet Resource Requests to <hostmaster@apnic.net>
>>>_____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>A|MA?A§AμA? Mars Chih-hua Wei
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>>>
>>>Engineer/Operations Support
>>>
>>>>Systems Group/IT & Multimedia Center Division
>>>>+886-2-7700-9420 / +886-955-62-9420
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>>>>New Century InfoComm Tech Co., Ltd.
>>>>
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