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Re: [Wg-ipv4-guide] Proposed Modification for APNIC Guidelines forIPv4 Allocation and Assignment Requests



Hi Tim,

It's David from TWNIC. I have a question regarding "the projected number" and "growth rate" in 10.2 section. Please find my comments in line.

Tim Jones wrote:
Dear Mars Chih-hu Wei,

Hostmasters have reviewed your email and have some comments.

To make the guidelines more suitable for both DSL and cable, any references to
"head-end" can be replaced with "location", and "homes-passed" can be removed, as it does not really apply to DSL.

We suggested that the growth rates include 6 month projection also, as this is
asked for on the application form (now, 6 month and 12 month).
  
As we know, the second line of 10.2 section in original version, "the projected number of subscribers within 3 months", is a predictive number for subscribers in next 3 months. It might be connected to the third line, "growth rate based on average growth per month over past three months". It seems that a pair of necessary information is required during 6 months, between past 3 months and next 3 months. If so, why did you suggest that the growth rates only include 6 month not 12 month?

For the fourth line of 10.2 section in original version, I would like to make sure that if the predicted number is not higher than the growth rate which stands for past 3 months, the IP requester don't need to provide any additional explanation. Am I right? Could you please clarify the difference between the line 2 and the line 4 in the original document for me. Thank you very much.

Regards,

David
TWNIC

Maybe you could draft the proposal taking into account all the feedback and we
can all review it again so it is clear?

We agree that you could post to the SIG mailing list in the name of the working
group.

Regards,
Tim.

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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, [utf-8] Mars Wei 危之華 wrote:

  
Hi Tim and All in this working group,
 
After talked with TWNIC and TWNIC OPM staffs, we collected some topics as follow.
 
1. This proposal is focused on adding consideration for DSL service and IP-based utilization. Some modification not related to this topic closely could be better to be issued in other parts.
 
2. In the original statement of the guideline in 10.2 section, it shows "the projected number of subscribers within 3 months" in item 2 and "projected number of subscribers within 12 months (if the projection is significantly higher than that predicted by the growth rate, then an additional explanation will be required)" in item 4. We think these two items are both talking about the growth rate in the future but in different conditions so It seems to be better to maintain the same period range as same as the original with "3 months" and "12 months". We are confused with your suggestion about "12 months" in item 2. Would you please clarify the reason for the suggestion? Or we will correct the item 2 to "3 months" as the original because this is not the key point of this proposal.
 
3. In the new part of the additional information you mentioned to go in the guideline, the field "Home Passed" is the specific term about cable service. Should this field be empty when applying IP allocation for DSL service?
 
4. In another way, we found that there is no such kind of example about the additional information in other guidelines of APNIC. We suggest not to put this part in the guideline sine the guideline should be the fundamental principle. The detailed rules could go in other related documents.
 
We are looking forward to any response. Please kindly input your comments to the mailing list. Due to the deadline of CFP for APNIC 19 will be soon on Jan 19, we should put the modification proposal into the Address Policy SIG mailing list before the deadline. Should we post it in the name of this working group?
 
Best Regards,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mars Chih-hua Wei
Engineer/Operations Support Systems Group/IT & Multimedia Center Division
+886-2-7700-9420 / +886-955-62-9420
New Century InfoComm Tech Co., Ltd.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Jones [mailto:tim@apnic.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:02 AM
To: Mars Wei 危之華
Cc: wg-ipv4-guide@apnic.net
Subject: Re: [Wg-ipv4-guide] Proposed Modification for APNIC 
Guidelines for IPv4 Allocation and Assignment Requests

Hi Mars Chih-hua Wei,

Thanks for putting this suggestion to the mailing list.

APNIC hostmasters have discussed your email and we have a 
couple of queries, which are included below.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, [big5] Mars Wei ¦M¤§µØ wrote:

      
 
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Dear All,

    I would like to propose to modify the APNIC guidelines 
        
for IPv4 allocation and assignment requests as follow. Please 
kindly input any comment. Thanks a lot.
      

10.2 Criteria for subsequent allocations to cable or 
        
DSL services
      
 Organisations seeking subsequent allocations to cable and DSL
 services must provide the following information:
 
 * headend information specifying the number of CMTS devices 
   planned per headend;
        
As this is a criteria for both cable and DSL, maybe the 
wording could be more general (as CMTS is for cable only).

      
 * the projected number of subscribers within 6 months;
        
For consistency with other forms, maybe this bullet point could be: 
"the projected number of subscribers within 6 months and 12 months."

      
 * growth rate based on average growth per month over past
   three months (as an option, the ISP can supply a MRTG to
   support growth rate evaluation);
 * growth rate based on average IP utilization per month
   over past three months (as an option, the ISP can supply
   a RADIUS/DHCP server log(for example) to support growth
   rate evaluation);
        
Could the above two bullet points be simplified and combined 
into a single point? Maybe:

"Subscriber growth rate and IP utilisation growth rate per 
month for the previous three months. To demonstrate this LIRs 
may optionally supply an MRTG and/or RADIUS/DHCP server logs."


      
 * projected number of subscribers, DSL/Cable circuits
   subscribed or IP addresses consumed by subscribers at peak
   time within 12 months (if the projection is significantly
   higher than that predicted by the growth rate or IP
   utilization, then an additional explanation will be
   required); and
        
Could you please clarify in this point whether you are asking 
for the projected number of DSL/Cable circuits and IP address 
consumption in the next 12 months, or the existing number of 
circuits and IP consumtion.


      
 * Purchase receipts for equipment (if requested by APNIC or
   the NIR).
        
The following information is commonly asked for by APNIC, so 
maybe it could go in the guidelines with an example. 
Obviously it would need some modification for use with DSL also.

"With regard to the address space you are seeking for your 
cable service, please supply the information using the format 
provided.

<example>

Headend |  Homes  | Device   |Capacity |Current  |IP | Device |G-rate/
           passed                        users          added   month
--------------------------------------------------------------
---------
Brisbane   15000    Motorola    1000       750    800     1     1254

Where:

Device - vendor, make/model and the quantity of CMTS 
currently installed.

Capacity - capacity of cable modem router per CMTS. (Also 
provide number of users per cable modem router.)

IP - total number of IP addresses assigned to each CMTS.

Device added - additional cable modem router that will be 
deployed in 6 months time.

G-rate/month - number of customers growth/month which have 
joined your service since your last allocation."

Regards,

Tim Jones
APNIC Hostmaster

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Asia Pacific Network Information Centre       phone: +61 7 3858 3100
http://www.apnic.net                          fax:   +61 7 3858 3199
Helpdesk                                      phone: +61 7 3858 3188
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  Please send Internet Resource Requests to 
<hostmaster@apnic.net> 
_____________________________________________________________________


      
Best Regards,
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