After talked with TWNIC and TWNIC OPM staffs, we collected some topics as
follow.
1. This proposal is focused on adding consideration for DSL service and
IP-based utilization. Some modification not related to this topic closely could
be better to be issued in other parts.
2. In the original statement of the guideline in 10.2 section, it shows
"the projected number of subscribers within 3 months" in item 2 and "projected
number of subscribers within 12 months (if the projection is significantly
higher than that predicted by the growth rate, then an additional explanation
will be required)" in item 4. We think these two items are both talking about
the growth rate in the future but in different conditions so It seems to be
better to maintain the same period range as same as the original with "3 months"
and "12 months". We are confused with your suggestion about "12 months" in item
2. Would you please clarify the reason for the suggestion? Or we will correct
the item 2 to "3 months" as the original because this is not the key point of
this proposal.
3. In the new part of the additional information you mentioned to go in the
guideline, the field "Home Passed" is the specific term about cable service.
Should this field be empty when applying IP allocation for DSL service?
4. In another way, we found that there is no such kind of example about the
additional information in other guidelines of APNIC. We suggest not to put this
part in the guideline sine the guideline should be the fundamental principle.
The detailed rules could go in other related documents.
We are looking forward to any response. Please kindly input your comments
to the mailing list. Due to the deadline of CFP for APNIC 19 will be soon on Jan
19, we should put the modification proposal into the Address Policy SIG mailing
list before the deadline. Should we post it in the name of this working
group?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Jones
[mailto:tim@apnic.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:02 AM
>
To: Mars Wei 危之華
> Cc:
wg-ipv4-guide@apnic.net>
Subject: Re: [Wg-ipv4-guide] Proposed Modification for APNIC
> Guidelines
for IPv4 Allocation and Assignment Requests
>
> Hi Mars Chih-hua
Wei,
>
> Thanks for putting this suggestion to the mailing
list.
>
> APNIC hostmasters have discussed your email and we have a
> couple of queries, which are included below.
>
> On Tue,
23 Nov 2004, [big5] Mars Wei ¦M¤§µØ wrote:
>
> >
>
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> > Dear All,
> >
> > I
would like to propose to modify the APNIC guidelines
> for IPv4
allocation and assignment requests as follow. Please
> kindly input any
comment. Thanks a lot.
> >
> >
> >
> >
10.2 Criteria for subsequent allocations to cable or
> DSL
services
> >
> > Organisations seeking subsequent
allocations to cable and DSL
> > services must provide the
following information:
> >
> > * headend
information specifying the number of CMTS devices
> >
planned per headend;
>
> As this is a criteria for both cable and
DSL, maybe the
> wording could be more general (as CMTS is for cable
only).
>
> > * the projected number of subscribers within
6 months;
>
> For consistency with other forms, maybe this bullet
point could be:
> "the projected number of subscribers within 6 months
and 12 months."
>
> > * growth rate based on average
growth per month over past
> > three months (as an option,
the ISP can supply a MRTG to
> > support growth rate
evaluation);
> > * growth rate based on average IP utilization
per month
> > over past three months (as an option, the
ISP can supply
> > a RADIUS/DHCP server log(for example)
to support growth
> > rate evaluation);
>
>
Could the above two bullet points be simplified and combined
> into a
single point? Maybe:
>
> "Subscriber growth rate and IP utilisation
growth rate per
> month for the previous three months. To demonstrate
this LIRs
> may optionally supply an MRTG and/or RADIUS/DHCP server
logs."
>
>
> > * projected number of subscribers,
DSL/Cable circuits
> > subscribed or IP addresses consumed
by subscribers at peak
> > time within 12 months (if the
projection is significantly
> > higher than that predicted
by the growth rate or IP
> > utilization, then an
additional explanation will be
> > required); and
>
> Could you please clarify in this point whether you are asking
>
for the projected number of DSL/Cable circuits and IP address
>
consumption in the next 12 months, or the existing number of
> circuits
and IP consumtion.
>
>
> > * Purchase receipts for
equipment (if requested by APNIC or
> > the NIR).
>
> The following information is commonly asked for by APNIC, so
>
maybe it could go in the guidelines with an example.
> Obviously it would
need some modification for use with DSL also.
>
> "With regard to
the address space you are seeking for your
> cable service, please supply
the information using the format
> provided.
>
>
<example>
>
> Headend | Homes |
Device |Capacity |Current |IP | Device
|G-rate/
>
passed
users added
month
>
--------------------------------------------------------------
>
---------
> Brisbane 15000
Motorola 1000
750 800 1
1254
>
> Where:
>
> Device - vendor, make/model and
the quantity of CMTS
> currently installed.
>
> Capacity -
capacity of cable modem router per CMTS. (Also
> provide number of users
per cable modem router.)
>
> IP - total number of IP addresses
assigned to each CMTS.
>
> Device added - additional cable modem
router that will be
> deployed in 6 months time.
>
>
G-rate/month - number of customers growth/month which have
> joined your
service since your last allocation."
>
> Regards,
>
>
Tim Jones
> APNIC Hostmaster
>
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