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Re: [sig-policy] prop-064: Change to assignment policy for ASnumbers



Scott and All,

Apologies, in the final edit the date of the new stage date was removed.

I'm proposing that from 01/07/09 (6 months after APNIC assigns 2-byte only on request) this new stage would come into effect.

I'll update the proposal to make that date more specific within the text.

Cheers

--
James


On 23/07/2008, at 2:33 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote:

James,

This is an interesting proposal, and I like the idea behind it. However,
I'm a bit unclear as to what exactly the policy does.  It says that:

4.3 The intermediary stage is proposed between the two existing stages:
    1 January 2009  APNIC assigns four-byte AS numbers by default.
                    APNIC assigns two-byte AS numbers on request.
        and ....
    1 January 2010  APNIC ceases to make any distinction between two-
                    and four-byte AS numbers.

What I'm not clear on is whether you're proposing to change what happens on 1 Jan 2009, push back the 1 Jan 2010 date (and having the intermediate
stage take effect 1 Jan 2010), or add the additional stage on an
intermediate date, like 1 June 2009.

Can you clarify?

Thanks,
Scott

zhangjian wrote:
Dear SIG members



The proposal 'Change to assignment policy for AS numbers' has been sent to the Policy SIG for review. It will be presented at the Policy SIG at
APNIC 26 in Christchurch, New Zealand, 25-29 August 2008.



The proposal's history can be found at:



     http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-064-v001.html



We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list
before the meeting.



The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an
important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to
express your views on the proposal:



     - Do you support or oppose this proposal?



- Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,

       tell the community about your situation.



     - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?



     - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?



     - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more

       effective?



randy and jian



________________________________________________________________________



prop-064-v001: Change to assignment policy for AS numbers
________________________________________________________________________





Authors:   James Spenceley

           james@vocus.com.au



Version:   1



Date:      22 July 2008





1.  Introduction

----------------



The policy seeks to create awareness earlier within the community for
the need to support 4-byte AS numbers without mandating an absolute
final adoption of 4-byte AS numbers.





2.  Summary of current problem

------------------------------



The current policy has three critical dates with associated policy
changes for the assignment of 4-byte AS numbers as documented in
APNIC-094-v003, "Policies for Autonomous System number management in the
Asia Pacific region [1]:



1 January 2007  APNIC assigns two-byte AS numbers by default.

                APNIC assigns four-byte AS numbers on request.





1 January 2009  APNIC assigns four-byte AS numbers by default.

                APNIC assigns two-byte AS numbers on request.





1 January 2010  APNIC ceases to make any distinction between two- and

                four-byte AS numbers.

                APNIC assigns from an undifferentiated four-byte AS

                number pool.





As the policy currently stands today, we have a specific jump from 'must
request a 2-byte AS' to 4-byte AS numbers being generally assigned.



Currently LIRs may if they choose, simply continue to request 2- byte AS numbers until 1 January 2010 at which time APNIC will begin assignment
of 4-byte AS numbers from without differentiation,



This places little requirement on the general provider community to
support 4-byte AS numbers or equipment vendors to implement and support
4-byte AS numbers.





3.  Situation in other RIRs

---------------------------



The other RIRs assign 4-byte ASNs in the same way as APNIC.



If successful, it is expected that this policy will be presented to the
other RIRs for adoption.





4.  Details of the proposal

---------------------------



4.1 This proposal seeks to create an intermediary stage where LIRs will

be assigned a 4-byte AS number by default unless it is unsuitable.



    An LIR requesting a 2-byte AS number would need to demonstrate

    that one (or more) of their peers or transit providers are

    unable or unwilling to support a 4-byte AS number.





4.2 An LIR can demonstrate the need for a 2-byte AS number by

    submitting supporting documentation such as an email or trouble

ticket stating that that the peer or provider is unable or unwilling

    to accept a 4-byte AS number.





4.3 The intermediary stage is proposed between the two existing stages:



    1 January 2009  APNIC assigns four-byte AS numbers by default.

                    APNIC assigns two-byte AS numbers on request.



        and ....



    1 January 2010  APNIC ceases to make any distinction between two-

                    and four-byte AS numbers.

APNIC assigns from an undifferentiated four- byte AS

                    number pool.





5.  Advantages and disadvantages of the proposal

------------------------------------------------



5.1 Advantages



  - The greater awareness and the earlier delegation of 4-byte AS

numbers is expected to create greater demand on Service Providers to

    support 4-byte AS numbers.



  - More 4-byte AS numbers will be seen in routing tables.



- Makes more service providers aware of their requirement to support

    4-byte AS numbers earlier.



- The extent of people unwilling to support 4-byte AS numbers will be

known and documented. This will provide feedback as to the state of

    deployment and readiness to begin general assignments.



  - Provides more pressure to vendors and Service Providers to

    implement 4-byte code.



- Will encourage Service Providers to request 4-byte code from their

    vendors, and provides more pressure to equipment vendors and

    Service Providers alike.



  - Increase the chance of an orderly transistion when 4-byte AS

    numbers are delegate as part of the general pool.



- Creates greater awareness of the need to support 4-byte AS numbers

as more parties become in involved in the application for a 2- byte

    AS number.





5.2 Disadvantages



  - Could create greater administrative overhead on APNIC staff.





6.  Effect on APNIC members

---------------------------



The proposal impacts all APNIC members.





7.  Effect on NIRs

------------------



The proposal has no direct impact on NIRs, but impacts members of NIRs
in the same way it impacts APNIC members.





8.  References

-------------



[1] Policies for Autonomous System number management in the Asia Pacific

    region

    http://www.apnic.net/policy/asn-policy.html



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