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RE: [sig-policy] IPv4 countdown policy proposal
Ray,
Let us understand your issue more exactly. I would like to
understand
what part of our prposal may violate anti-trust laws
ino order to adjust our proposal.
According to anti-trust laws, registries monopolizing address management
will never
be able to stop allocation even if you don't have any stocks???
Or stoping allocation before stocks are drying out may be against the
law???
Basic sprits of anti-trust laws should be based on protection of
customers, as far as
I understand. Customer LIRs' potentioanl damages may be
not
- to stop allocation in three or four years which can give chances
for LIRs to cope with the issue
but
- to decrease amount of allocations than now and
as a result let LIRs' business slow down, or
- intentionally to hide them the possiblity that RIR may not be able to
allocate in future
and as a result let LIRs' business stop.
Anyway, JPNIC will also start researching legal aspects. We will be back
about these points soon.
Regards,
Takashi Arano
At 20:16 07/02/28, Ray Plzak wrote:
This policy proposal has now been introduced into
the ARIN region. I will not speak to the merits of this proposal, but
will ask the question that the ARIN General Counsel is now taking up:
What is the liability exposure to ARIN if this policy is adopted? What
are the anti-trust implications if this is adopted by ARIN? Additionally,
the attorneys of all the RIRs should consider what is the anti-trust
implication of this proposal if adopted globally? I do not intend for
this to start a legal discussion on this list by a bunch of people who
are not attorneys but rather to say that this proposal like any other
proposal can have consequences that the authors of the proposal do not
intend. In the case of the anti-trust implications, this could be
extremely harmful to any RIR that adopts it, and therefore this should be
carefully scrutinized by competent attorneys before the community adopts
it.
By this message, I ask Paul Wilson to introduce my comments into the
discussion of this policy at the APNIC meeting.
Ray
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net
[mailto:sig-policy-
> bounces@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of Takashi Arano
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:55 AM
> To: Robert Gray
> Cc: sig-policy@lists.apnic.net; Takashi Arano; Takashi Arano
> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] IPv4 countdown policy proposal
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> At 04:51 07/02/28, Robert Gray wrote:
> >>IPv4 exhaustion gives negative impact, more or less.
> >>The issue here is how to reduce the pain. As Randy said,
choice of
> short sharp pain or long-term pain well describes this issue.
> >
> >Arano-san
> >
> >I'm not sure that the choice is this simple.
> >
> >The community needs to promote a progressive global deployment
of IPv6
> and this needs to start very soon otherwise there will be no ability
to
> transition when the time (however defined) comes.
> >
> >I do not think that the imposition of arbitrary exhaustion dates
will
> of itself be sufficient to make this happen.
>
> Our intention is not to impose something.
> This is intended to guarantee LIRs to get IPv4 addresses by the
> specific date pre-announced.
> As a result, x-date would be shorten just by one a few months.
> We believe it is useful and necessary for LIR/ISP's planning
division.
>
> >>Anyway, time proceeds. We have to confront this issue
seriously
> >>and as soon as possible.
> >
> >Here we agree 100%
> >
> >The difference in approach seems to be that some of us would
like to
> see more action taken sooner to specifically promote IPv6
deployment
> rather than concentrating solely on what happens until x-date
>
> Yes, on different hats of mine, the IPv6 forum and Asia Pacific
IPv6
> Task Force
> are going to promote IPv6 and provide some guidelines for ISPs
more
> seriously than ever.
>
> Regards,
> Takashi Arano
>
>
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