RE: [hostmaster-staff] RE: Emergency Allocation

["hostmaster" <hostmaster@nic.or.kr>]

Dear all, 

I agreed with John' opinion 100%. 
"Imergency allocation" is just one of flexible management about problematic situation which all staffs
can feel inevitable on.
Therefore, we don't need any fixed policy about that. 

Have a nice day ! especially new & photogenic bridegroom....
Please could Son post your wedding-photo in some website ? 

Yong Wan Ju

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net [mailto:owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net]On Behalf Of John Tran
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 2:31 PM
To: Chia-Nan Hsieh
Cc: 'Izumi Okutani'; nir-discuss@apnic.net
Subject: Re: [hostmaster-staff] RE: Emergency Allocation



Hi Chia-Nan, Izumi-san and all,

On Thu, 16 May 2002, Chia-Nan Hsieh wrote:

> Hi Izumi,
> 
> Please find our comments below.
> 
> > Some concerns we raised that the way JPNIC deals with urgent
> > allocation requests is not consistent with that of APNIC.
> > 
> > We would like to implement the same practice as APNIC and therefore
> > have a few questions about APNIC's "emergency allocation" scheme.
> > 
> > Do you apply it when a hostmaster sees as appropriate, or is there a
> > certain requirement to receive this type of allocation?
> 
> TWNIC doesn't have explicit requirement list for the emergency
> allocation.
> Basically it is judged case by case and we do not easily make the
> emergency allocation.

This is the same at APNIC, we only allocate when there is a very special
reason. 

For example if a member does not register all assignments in APNIC
database because the staff that used to deal with APNIC left and the new
staff just started whom do not know much about the policy and they have
used more than 80% of the previous allocations. They are running out of IP
address and their business will be affected by this.

> For example, if the ISP is previous allocated address space blocks then
> it must meet our policy such as DB registration and AW mechanism before
> making any requests.
> If not, we hardly accept an emergency allocation request until they
> finished all what they had done.

We also do not encourage making emergency allocation as well. 

> 
> > How do you judge the allocation size?
> > 
> > In JPNIC's case, we have made a minimum allocation to urgents cases
> > and continued evaluation in order to allocate an appropriate size
> > additionally.
> 
> In most cases we practice the same way as JPNIC does, few exceptions.

Very tough question, this will depending on their usage rate and how much
Ip address they have left. For example if they have only 15% of previous
allocation left (assuming /22) and their usage rate is /23/month but they
will take approximately 5 months to complete the registration. Therefore
we allocate /20 as emergency allocation.

 > 
> > This is based on hostmaster's judgement and it is not publilized as an
> > official scheme.
> 
> It is not publicized in TWNIC documentation, too.

Emergency allocation is a procedure based on practice to help some of
organisation that fall into exceptional cases. Therefore it is not a
policy or procedure that should be published because we don't want to
encourage organisation using this method. Do we? 

> 
> > We also accept additional allocation requests under 80% utilization
> > rate if they are able to justify the reason.
> 
> This is written in our policy book.
> But I haven't dealt with this kind of cases yet...:-)

Yes, this is written in APNIC policy. One example is if a customer
requesting for an amount of address that is larger than the pool of
address the member holding. Then they can apply for more without passing
the 80% policy.

Regards

Son

 > > 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Chia-Nan Hsieh
> Internet Resource Services, TWNIC
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> 
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