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RE: NIR fee structure and procedure proposal (fwd)
Hi Paul, Son, and others,
Thank APNIC staff for their contribution to this issue.
Basically we agree with the proposed fee structure and procedure.
Before all NIRs and APNIC come to a consensus, can we start
implementing this proposal as a temporary solution?
TWNIC has submitted two PI requests to APNIC and they are now in the
pending status.
As we have two more such requests held, we would like to request APNIC
to start the service ASAP.
Thank you very much.
Hostmaster
TWNIC
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net
[mailto:owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:37 PM
To: 'John Tran'; nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net
Cc: oyang@twnic.net.tw; trancy@twnic.net.tw; wschen@twnic.net.tw
Subject: RE: NIR fee structure and procedure proposal (fwd)
Dear all,
Here are some additional points I would like to make regarding the roles
of NIRs and APNIC in providing these services. This is consistent with
what Son has said, but may help to answer some further questions.
I hope that this is helpful.
Paul Wilson
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Role of Agent
As an "agent" for PI and IX assignment services, the NIR provides an
"interface" between its customers and APNIC. Generally, customers of
the NIR should not need to contact APNIC directly, and APNIC should not
directly communicate with those customers (however APNIC may provide
online services to the customers, such as database storage and update).
The NIR will provide the necessary forms to its customers, and take full
responsibility for the request process to the point of rejecting or
accepting requests, in accordance with APNIC policies. The NIR may
provide APNIC forms translated into local languages, and those forms
need not be identical to original APNIC forms, however they must be
consistent in order that APNIC receives the necessary information.
In general, the NIR would collect all fees from its customers, including
assignment fees and ongoing maintenance fees. However APNIC may take
responsibility for charging of some fees if required.
In general, NIRs should charge fees in accordance with the APNIC price
structure, so that there is no perception of competition between NIRs,
or between NIRs and APNIC. Fees should not be adjusted by the NIR
except by explicit agreement between the NIR and APNIC (or in accordance
with overall changes to the APNIC fee structure, as approved by APNIC
members).
Role of APNIC
APNIC will fulfil requests receive from NIRs in accordance with agreed
procedures.
While APNIC wishes to fulfil requests as quickly and efficiently as
possible, it must retain the ability to re-evaluate requests in defined
cases. A "level of trust" mechanism will need to be established for PI
and IX assignment services, and this should be discussed (an Assignment
Window may be appropriate, however for PI assignments, another mechanism
may be more appropriate).
While the fees charged by the NIR should be established according to the
APNIC fee structure, APNIC and the NIR may have a private agreement
concerning the division of fees between the 2 organisations. This
division should depend on the amount of work and responsibility that the
NIR is able to undertake, which itself should correspond to the
experience level of the NIR.
On fulfilling a NIR request, APNIC will invoice the NIR for the
appropriate amount, in accordance with the agreed division of fees with
the NIR. The NIR is responsible for charging its customers, however the
APNIC fee structure should be followed in all cases except as agreed.
--
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net
> [mailto:owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of John Tran
> Sent: Friday, 21 December 2001 14:28
> To: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net
> Cc: oyang@twnic.net.tw; trancy@twnic.net.tw; wschen@twnic.net.tw
> Subject: NIR fee structure and procedure proposal (fwd)
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Please find below is a first version of the proposal for the fee
> structure and procedure for NIRs to obatin PI and IX assignments on
> behalf of their members and non-members. All feedback and comments are
> welcome.
>
> As APNIC cannot change the current non-member fee structure
> as this will
> require members consensus. Therefore we propose the following fee
> structure and procedure based on the current non-member APNIC's fee.
>
> *NIR can translate the current multi-homing form and IX form
> into their
> own language and make them available for organisations within their
> countries.
> * If an organisation wish to obtain PI or IX block then NIR
> will evaluate
> the request, summarise it and send it to APNIC for an
> assignment. We also
> need some information from NIR to uniquely identify the
> organisation for
> billing and future references.
> * APNIC will make the appropriate assignment from a free pools that
> especially reserve for PI and IX assignments, if the evaluation is
> consistent with APNIC hostmaster evaluation.
> * APNIC will send the invoice to NIR as normal with reference to
> appropriate assignments and allocations details.
> * APNIC will send annual maintenance fee charge to NIRs for all the
> assignments based on the references we received when we make the
> assignment.
> * The current NON-MEMBER fee should be applied to all organisations
> irrespective of the country they are in to ensure consistency
> across the
> region. This means that even if an NIR can find an
> alternative way to fund
> for the fee that APNIC charge them to reduce the cost for these
> assignments. They should charge the same fee as APNIC would charge if
> these organisations approach APNIC or other NIRs.
> * APNIC will apply the Assignment Window on all NIRs to
> ensure that the
> evaluation is consistent across the region.
> * To simplify the charging process we propose 50-50 split, for both
> the initial and maintenance fees, between APNIC and NIRs.
>
> Regards
>
> Son
> APNIC
>
>
>
>
>
>
