Re: [hostmaster-staff] agent service for multi-homed PI assignment(fwd)

[John Tran <john@apnic.net>]

Hi Izumi-san,

Thank you very much for JPNIC to take the initiative to propose this new
procedure. We just have a few comments below.


On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Izumi Okutani wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> 
> This is Izumi from JPNIC, and I would like to make a proposal about
> agent service for small multi-homed assignment on behalf of our IP
> Division.
> 
> Background:
> 
>  A proposal "Proposed criteria for initial, portable allocations of
>  IPv4 address space" reached consensus in the Taipei meeting in August
>  along with "Proposed small multihoming assignment policy (IPv4)"
> 
>   Proposed criteria for initial, portable allocations of IPv4 address
>   space
>    http://www.apnic.net/meetings/12/docs/proposal-allocation-criteria.html
> 
>   Proposed small multihoming assignment policy (IPv4)
>    http://www.apnic.net/meetings/12/docs/proposal-multihome-assign.html
> 
>  JPNIC would like to implement both of the above proposals within JP
>  region, since if we only implement the initial allocation criteria, we
>  will have some multi-homed networks not being able to receive
>  assignments from the upstream. We consider these two proposals as a set.
> 
>  As JPNIC do not provide PI assignment service within JPNIC, we would
>  like to provide the service in the form of an agent service.
> 
> The model we are thinking is as follows:
> 
> *** PI assignment agent service***
> - Requestor send to APNIC "Request for non-member account form"
> - Requestor get their the non-member accout from APNIC
> - NIRs evaluate request and submit request form and summary to APNIC

We are not clear on the reason for the above procedure but if an
organisation has to contact APNIC to obtain and account then we cannot
see any incentive for them to send their request to NIRs at all.

> - Confirmed and PI address assignment by APNIC
> - Returned address goes back  to APNIC$B!G(Bs pool address  
> 
> *** Fee Scheme *** 
>  Applying non-member fee structure
>  - Initial fee charged to requestor by NIRs
>    Requestor's initial fee as;
>    "Assignment fee + Agent service fee"
>       ** Assignment fee determined by APNIC
>       ** Agent service fee determined by each NIR

The fee structure seem to make sense from registries perspective but it
could cause inconsistency in fee structure in the region. For example if a
member obtain the Ip address directly from APNIC then they will pay less
than an organisation obtain from NIRs. It might be better if we all charge
the same fee and divide the fund between NIRS and APNIC. This is applicable 
to non-members only. With the new APNIC membership structure members can
obtain variable sizes of Ip address blocks depending on their requirement, 
therefore the charge for obtaining these assignments will be different
depending on whether they wish to obtain as a non-member or as a member.

>  - Maintenance fee charged directly to requestor by APNIC
>       **NIRs are not involved in this flow

This might cause some confusion for the community in AP because NIRs make
the assignments but APNIC is collecting the maintenance fee.

Son

On Behalf of APNIC hostmaster team

> 
> To summarize, NIRs will evaluate the small mult-homed PI assignment
> requests, and will collect the per address fee. The annual fee from
> the next year will be charged by APNIC.
> 
> It may be an issue to be discussed in the Open NIR meeting next year,
> but we would make our policy consistent with AP region's as soon
> as possible and we have sent the suggestion to this mailing list.
> 
> *Since we must give three months advance notice to our members to
>  implement policy changes, we will need to document this by Jan 2002
>  to implement it in April this year
> 
> If it is okay with APNIC and NIRs, we would like to start the service
> as a trial, and we will make sure to update about it in the next NIR
> meeting. 
> 
> We are looking forward to your feedbacks.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> izumi
> on behalf of JPNIC IP Division
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Izumi Okutani
> IP Address Section
> Japan Network Information Center
> Tel:+81-3-5297-2311
> Fax:+81-3-5297-2312
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