Re: [apnic-talk] IP address assignment to third party

["Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>]

From: "Anne Lord" <anne@apnic.net>
> This whole idea is in place to support the hierarchical aggregation
> of routing information. This is to date, the only effective way to
> make the Internet scale, and is critical. It is known as CIDR (classless
> inter-domain routing).
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Are you really saying that you used to be a 32-bit IP address block broker from RIPE (Europe)
and now, to scale things, you are a 32-bit IP address block broker in the APNIC region, and
in order to not have any competition, you are telling people that they can not be 32-bit IP address
block brokers, for blocks or parts of blocks they own ?

What does APNIC pay for leasing their /8s each year ?

http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anne Lord" <anne@apnic.net>
To: "paku" <paku123456@yahoo.com>
Cc: <apnic-talk@apnic.net>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] IP address assignment to third party


> 
> hi Paku,
> 
> > Thanks Anne,
> > But now I am confused more. Cause I make whois query
> > on two three inetnum,,, and all are Allocated Portable
> > assignment.Dose that mean they can assign it to anyone
> 
> Maybe it is helpful if I explain the difference between 
> allocation and assignment. 
> 
> An allocation is a range of addresses that can be further
> subdivided. It is given to both customers to address their
> networks and used to address equipment in your own network. 
> 
> An assignment is a range of addresses actually *in use* on a
> specific network. Assignments must only be made for specific, 
> documented purposes and may not be sub-assigned.
>  
> There is no such thing as an 'Allocated Portable assignment' as
> mentioned above.  There are both assignments and allocations as
> Database entries in the whois database - but they are separate
> entities.
> 
> Most allocations will be marked 'Allocated Portable'. That is,
> the custodian has a range of addresses that they can use to
> *assign* to their customers and to themselves for their network infrastructure.
> Those customers *must* have connectivity through the ISP that has 
> the range of addresses (allocation).  The idea is that the ISP 
> aggregates the allocated range into a single prefix announcement, usually 
> a /20 (which is the minimum allocation size). The 'portable' tag only applies 
> to the /20 range as a whole. It means the custodian of the range 
> (say your company) can change upstream provider without
> renumbering. 
>  
> Any assignments customers receive will be marked in the whois 
> database as 'assigned non-portable'. this means that they have
> received assignments from your range (allocation) to be used on an actual
> network. They cannot leave you, choose another provider, and take
> the addresses with them. They are *not* portable. You should enter
> into agreements with your customers which specify that they addresses
> are not portable, should they cancel their service with you.
> 
> This whole idea is in place to support the hierarchical aggregation
> of routing information. This is to date, the only effective way to
> make the Internet scale, and is critical. It is known as CIDR (classless
> inter-domain routing).
> 
> > other than their customers(assign,nonportable)???
> 
> > Suppose I am apnic member and get /20 Allocated
> > Portable. Than can I assign some space outout
> > it(/22)to my other organisations(my sisterconcern
> > companies but not my customers. And using others
> 
> No - you should *definately* be assigning it to your customers. You can
> also assign it to your sister companies but only *IF* they obtain 
> Internet connectivity from you.
> 
> > internet serices) and its non-comercial.
> 
> Whether you are commerical or not has no bearing on where the addresses
> are assigned. The important thing to remember is that addresses *must*
> only be assigned to entities that are receiving Internet connectivity 
> from you.
> 
> Does that help? Please dont hesitate to contact me or the helpdesk
> if any of this is not clear.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Anne
> _____________________________________________________________________
> Anne Lord, Manager, Policy Liaison                  <anne@apnic.net>
> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre       phone: +61 7 3858 3100
> http://www.apnic.net                            fax: +61 7 3858 3199
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